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post Mar 14 2005, 09:42 AM
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Ok, so last night I tried to construct a servitor (a cat called Mogget), using techniques similar, but somewhat modified, to what Kinjo used with Sophia.

However, due to the fact that I was dealing with principles I'm not entirely used to, Mogget went out of control. My only explanation for this is that, due to me using spastic techniques, the energy started to fray, and of the concepts used to build Mogget's mind, there was only one that pervaded its entire form - cat.
Approximately 2 hours after construction, Mogget frayed into non-existance - or so I assume. He may just have gotten loose, but I doubt it, since it seemed like he was dissipating.

The problem with my method was I was attempting to use a sigil as a guide. I don't use sigils normally, so the symbols involved were relatively useless to me, and I kept having to check definitions as I built him. Likewise, I was drawing energy from sources in an attempt to "aspect" the energy. Big nono.

So, sometime soon, I'm going to have another go at building Mogget, but this time, sticking to a properly psi-vampire method:

Step 1) Draw a design.
Given that I'm making a cat, I'm going to use a diagram of a cat's skeleton, overlayed with the outline of a cat's form. From there, I'm going to place different words in different places, to capture the ideas I'm going to be implanting into Mogget's form.
This is different from sigilisation, because rather than being an activation key, it's more of a blueprint.

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Step 2) Get a "battery".
I need a source of energy from which to draw (preferrably a person). This is so I have something to work with in the construction phase. Most people would just use their own energy, or use aspects of the zodiac to help with energy - psi-vampires however, need something living from which to draw, given that we tend not to have much of our own energy.

Step 3) Construction.
Simple enough - get the plan and form the skeleton from energy (implanting the attached concepts). From there, a base mind needs to be inserted (probably through exhaling the energy into the skull). Finally, build the form around it, which will make it a polished cat.

Step 4) Naming.
To finish off the servitor a name needs to be inserted - so that there's some way of controlling it. Obviously for my cat, the name's going to be Mogget. Once the name pervades the servitor, seal off the lines of energy connecting the servitor to yourself - so that way it becomes its own entity, rather than running from you (which might have meant they'd have been sucked into oblivion if you weren't careful).

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post Mar 14 2005, 10:22 AM
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I like this thread. This is something new for me and I'd like to learn more (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Care to explain more on step No.2 please? Sophia was draining my energies more than what I expected. It's not that I mind, but I have little idea where else she would self power herself?

Energies is a very important for servitor, and as important as the presence of blood to human which enable it to serve as the generator.

How specifically Mogget draw energy from living things, the principles involved, the ritual, etc? Also, I haven't read anything much on psi-vampire concept yet. Care to summarize pls?


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post Mar 15 2005, 02:26 AM
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You should read more of your books. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
The internet edition of the Psi-Vampire Codex (by House Khepru - I love those people) is very good, but I'll do a quick summary for you.

Two types of vampire - sanguine (blood drinking) and psi (energy draining).
A psi-vampire has trouble producing enough energy to sustain themselves, and thus have the ability to obtain that energy by "pilfering" it from others.
We also utilise energy faster (for instance, if you wanted to make yourself unnoticeable, you might make a sigil for it - we'd just pump the idea "don't notice me" into our aura), and, with some training, can do some very surprising (and scary) things.
Most noteably, psi-vampires have an affinity with emotion-meddling, mainly because the energy we drain is tied into willpower (I believe them to be the same thing in fact), a emotions are driven by will - so our best victims are those who are on some sort of emotive high.

However, relating this to servitors, I don't have the energy in me to build one (well I do, but I'd be completely screwed after I made him). As you say - they take a lot.
So what I'd need is someone with a lot of energy nearby (preferably in physical contact, but it's not necessary), to give me that power. There's no "ritual" involved in this, per se - a psi-vampire is just innately able to draw energy from people... so it's hard to explain to someone who's not one, how to do it. Um... yech. How well do you have your aura under control?

Once Mogget's built... I'm not entirely sure whether he'll need energy input. Does Sophia require regular "feedings"?

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post Mar 15 2005, 04:57 AM
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I should read more of "my" books lol..
Michelle Bellanger actually donated her internet version of the codex to our library, but I was only reading what I think I need to know - now I'm going to make some time to actually read it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Your summary is wonderful. Your statement that emotion is energy which can be directed by will power is something I've been recently enlighten with(by research of the servitor) I now understand those "unexplainable energy rush" when I direct it to something with full attention.

How well do I have my aura under control?
I'm not quite sure how to response to this, but my research shows that if everything energy, then our thoughts and our natural aura is energy - and this kinetic and magnetic energy is directable and can be manipulated by attention and will.

If this is true, than it well explain why we're been told/hinted by adepts to meditate alot, since meditation enhance this power. Concentration - which gain power the more we practise it.

My assumption then, to draw energy from others is simply visualise and will their energy to be sucked into our own astral body and feel those leeched energies accumulated in our own - stored, or directed by will. How close I am?

In theory, Sophia or any servitor need regular feeding - just like a baby who has limited intelligence and energy. They're totally depended on us as the creator/parent. Once they "mature" - as several cosmic laws will dictate this - they will gain more intelligence, independence and a will of their own. This is why servitor creator was adviced to put a time bomb and limit their existence as they will keep growing stronger and will be out of our own power to control them - and ultimately turn rouge.

I however give life to Sophia for as long as I live. This is why I implant 3 Asimov Robot Laws (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) on my conjuration of life to her, as well derive and assign her true name as a mean of "total" control on her no matter how powerful and independent she turn out to be. This is a theory however, and in time I still need to prove it.

Currently, I'm using pore breathing technique to draw in and transmute energies into her sigil as often I feel neccesary. Quite time consuming though. She has 10 elements I need to deal with and each elements take me about from 3 - 15 minutes or more of meditation - depending on how condensed the energy I want to feed her.

Pls keep us up to date with Mogget.

I'm particulary interested to hear results, physical/astral manifestation, how "real" you feel it's existence, incidents, etc.


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post Mar 15 2005, 10:50 AM
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Well as to the theory-work on feeding - close enough that you get the general idea. The only problem is I'm not entirely sure you're properly equipped to do it, which is why I asked about your aura control. In theory you're right, technically you can control your aura by will... but like anything else, theory has some trouble when applied to reality.
Dawnfalcon and I have done a few experiments on this. He can sort of absorb energy... but it's slow and shoddy in comparison to the psi-vampire crew I'm with normally.

Hmm... I'm actually tempted to make Mogget mimic me when I build him - so that he can feed on his own. But I'm not entirely sure I can, and I'd have to make certain that he was definitely under control... something which would be far too tricky in the long run.

As to Mogget Mach 1, he seemed real enough - you couldn't see him, but when he sat on you, it felt just like a cat sitting on you. Pity he went nuts really.

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QUOTE(Zahaqiel @ Mar 15 2005, 11:50 PM)
As to Mogget Mach 1, he seemed real enough - you couldn't see him, but when he sat on you, it felt just like a cat sitting on you.  Pity he went nuts really.

When he sat on you - how did you sensed that? Subjective or literaly/physically?
The way I can comprehend it, as with my Sophia, is that I can "see" her in my minds eyes as she grows "stronger" - and I can tell this by the growing sense of presence everytime I reload her - candle flames flickers like crazy, and there's no wind whatsoever to cause that (I actually just finished doing 1.45 minutes of reloading her with all her elements) Her visual in my mind's eye are getting more vivid, also, she started to show facial expressions. She would kneel before me when I will her to do so when I'm reinforcing her programmings and responsibilities before closing the ritual. How about Mogget?


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post Mar 15 2005, 01:30 PM
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Literally/physically. It was like there was a cat curled up on my lap. Most of the time I ouldn't see him, nor tell where he was, except by the pressure of him actually touching me... there was a brief moment when I could see him, as a yellow, glowing cat-shaped blur (second-sight), but my second-sight is about as useful as a cat-shaped fry pan.

Hopefully today I might be able to get a "battery" to construct Mogget Mk II.

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Your technique of raising and condensing energy must be really good to enable Mogget made himself physically felt to you - or probably you're simply more sensitive than I am?

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Edit edit edit: Argh! How do you keep these things under control? Mogget's insane - keeps sitting on me (which makes my different chakras ache depending on where he sits - especially when he sits on my head), and doesn't listen to orders.

There's a theory that when we construct a servitor is like posting a job vacancy on the Astral employment office where entity with the office you're looking for will apply for the job in the shell we created. Just a thought.


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post Mar 16 2005, 12:20 AM
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I'm actually thinking of employing some jing techniques for the bones, to make him even more solid. Jing's like compacted ki... kind of slow to form, but it'd probably be effective.

And as to that theory, it's somewhat close to what I'm thinking.

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post Mar 17 2005, 12:17 PM
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Ok, just an update... I couldn't build Mogget two days ago like I thought I would because my sleep cycle's a mess, and I slept through that day.

Hopefully, I'll be able to build him next Wednesday instead. I have a willing "battery" lined up, and I just need to print off my little plan.

The reason I'm waiting so long is that I'm going to have someone take all my energy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol_2.gif) Yes I am, serious - I am willingly having someone drain me completely, and not just for the fun of it... I need more control of my energy, and this is one way of learning it. It's sort of a psi-vampire initiation ritual that I never got to go through, and as a result, my control sucks.

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post Mar 28 2005, 03:13 PM
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Greetings! I'd brush up on your Bardon. Also, for what it is worth, creating a servitor that is capable of replenishing its own energy is not particularily bright. 'Servitors' should only be constructed to serve a specific purpose. A roaming psychic vampire servitor is asking for trouble. The longer a servitor is kept active the more solid it becomes (this is especially true of complex elementaries - ie Sophia) and the less it remains under control. I have a number of elementaries in existance...one is called 'the librarian', it hunts down manuscripts for me. Very useful but the length of its life is finite for any number of reasons. I urge caution and restraint. Stop skipping chapters in the book and do your homework! Good luck!


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post Apr 26 2005, 04:11 AM
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Still have yet to build Mogget. Too many things getting in the way.

No, I'm not going to making it vampiric. I already decided that was pushing it. Time limits I already know about. Thanks though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


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How ironic that you named it Mogget and that the figure is that of a cat...does the word Abhorsen ring a bell?


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post Jan 24 2006, 09:04 PM
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Garth Nix's parents live two or three blocks away from my house, so I got to see (see, not read unfortunately) an advanced copy of Lirael before it came out.

But Mogget is actually a supposedly "traditional" Australian name for a cat (more commonly known as "Moggy" for short) - I have no clue where it comes from though.


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