IDOIGO question, Skrying the AEthrys Options

93 "Discover your unconditioned will (Thelema) and abide by that law of connection alone."

In the text with 19th key in "Gems from the Equinox" Crowley has two foot notes, one is the Change of LIL (a list is given for this,) and the other is the change of IDOIGO in accordance with the AEtheyr which is being skryed. IDOIGO is the upper left hand name on the air tablet running down on the t. idoigo in the text is actually translated from Enocian to "of him that sitteth on the holy throne."

From Crowley's note this seems to make it a specific name called during scrying of LIL, the first aether at least. this would give 15 other angels using the same formula from the squares. This still leaves 14 names unless some are used for more than one aether.

i have not run into any problems with my traveling using IDOIGO but was wondering if anyone was aware of the source behind this note? of course looking at the elements there are manners with which one can place the other names but no translations for them as i am aware. Is anyone else aware of any papers or information re: this matter? I have put together a few interesting possibilities but the systems keep breaking apart.

Blessings and peace!

Fr. Setna
Errin N Davenport

This post has been edited by ankhofisis: Aug 18 2005, 01:03 AM

i have what looks like a possible answer to this one. In the Enochian Magick of John Dee, by James Geoffrey there is a statement that the only word changed in the conjurations is the name of the AEtheyr. Also, in looking up direct running translations of Enochian letter texts there are many possible meanings for same words. And some of the names are untranslatable names which do give the qualities of the deities they represent but are not words per say.

Lets look at the tablet on the center of Dee's table
OIT
RLV
LRL
OOE
these names are not translated but are used none the less.
a possible translation may be

OIT. . .R. . . . . .L . . . . . . . V. L . . . . . . . . . R. . . . . . . .L . . . . . O . . .OE
This is second of the first 2, the first one must have favored your singing

or from bottom to top starting at the lower left hand corner can be translated as-

OLRO. . . OR. . . . . L. . . . . . . I. . E. . . . LV. . . .T
I protect the dark supreme, his times cannot visit

but there is never any indication of either of these or any other possible translations ever being used at all. Therefore, just because IDOIGO is on the upper left hand cross of the air tablet does not make it hold the same context, nor does it make it replaceable.

However, Crowley did receive an amazing amount of information from his scrying when compared to the logs of many others, some of which go not beyond a basic view, or my own experience after a certain AEtheyr, it does seem that there may be a possible key. If the changing of that word is the key it seems all to simple. i believe the "key" to entrance lies elsewhere. Perhaps this lies in authority and true Magickal growth.

We traverse the tree of life from bottom to top and the AEtheyrs from
center to the outermost, like growth rings of the tree of life itself
as it were. Each one proportionally larger than the one before it, making
makes me wonder, if this is the body of the mystical Enochian universe
in the form of a tree, what worlds may exists beyond the outermost
ring of LIL?

This post has been edited by ankhofisis: Aug 26 2005, 12:45 AM

One of the latest theories i have had was when it occured to me that as the AEthers are entered from the central to the external and the if the air of air in Crowley's mind did indeed indicate the last of the rings passed and entered, then the very begining may be the tablet of union, or even the seal on the center of Dee's table, (but i would guess tht the master Therion saw in the great watchtower arrangement the key of entrance, IDOIGO being the key, corresponding to the final AEther, LIL, thus used the tablet of union. Crowley appears in his works to be a grand scheme reductionist.) and he pointed to the 30 as a trangle in grand repetition on the tree of life on different levels (giving ten triangles.)

An because the system is worked from the inside out one of my theories is this;

30 = tablet of union as one name
29 = NANTA BITOM, working up to
28 = EXARP HCOMA, aplication of the three fold division
27 = TABITOM
26 = COMANAN
25 = EXARPH
24- 20 = 5 roots starting with PAAM and ending with EHNB , now one can jump to the elemental tablets having passed through spirit, and this gives 11 names to the tablet of union.

19- 17 are the three great letters of each tablet beginig with HCTGA then DIAL then MOR

In this system the final 16 are worked 4 times each changing the pass names to the folloing 3 letters of each element from 19 - 17 each time, or another possibility is using all of the corresponding letters in asceding order at each point. Then...

(here i am attributing the order of the names on the crosses the same element within element attributions as the order of watchtowers on the great square,

16 = ABALPT earth of earth
15 = UOLXDO earth of fire
14 = MALADI E of W

and so on in a sideways U shape in the order of E. F. A. W. until LIL is reached with IDOIGO.

That one is quite a jump but the symbolism of the unfolding of these elements match very well with Vision and Voice but are way off from my own experience and the logic of the unfoldment of the 30 AEthers. So I have gone from trying to make it practical to trying to read Crowley's mind to figure out what the hell he was thinking! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I have quite a few other theories but as i stated, they all fall apart. There is, as with any translation, an infinity of possibilities.

This post has been edited by ankhofisis: Aug 30 2005, 08:08 PM

Crowley probably made a mistake here: the word in the Key was originally perceived by Kelley as IDUIGO but subsequently corrected to IDOIGO which might have led Crowley to believe that the word could be varied. See 'A True and Faithful Relation...' p. 203 (action of 12 July 1584).

93 I hope this note finds you well and happy! I re-read my original response and it sounded short and bitchy. I am so sorry and i did not mean it that way.

Crowley's comment seems made because the air of air angel seems to be connected to LIL, in his mind. I did not know that "IDUIGO" was corrected to "IDOIGO." Thank you!

My mind is not making the connection to the significance of this in light of his thought that the name Idoigo should be altered in accord with the aether being worked. Are you aware of anything else which he has written which sheds more light on this? I really don't think there is. I also belive as you pointed out that he either made a mistake, or perhaps was kicking around an idea and gave up on it.

Also, i have not found any problems working using Idoigo with any of the AEthers. I should not be putting so much energy into this, however it is, to me, like a puzzle, and you are almost finished with it and cannot find the last peice and it just makes you fall on your knees and scream "WHY!?!"

Well, mabey not that dramatic.

Thank you my friend, bright blessings and peace profound!

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This post has been edited by ankhofisis: Sep 4 2005, 03:31 AM

Care Frater,

No offence taken, my earlier post was dashed off rather quickly and would have benefited from further explanation. I've looked for evidence on which Crowley might have based his comment, but found nothing in the Golden Dawn papers, the Vision and the Voice or Liber Chanokh, but the correction I have referred to could have been Crowley's source. The angel IDOIGO can be found in the air tablet as you have noted but seems to have no connection with LIL which relates to (or contains) three parts of the earth found in the water tablet - Occodon, Pascomb & Valgars. So it's likely this arose from inspiration, or was a mistake by Crowley. The latter seems more likely in my opinion. The word IDOIGO, in common with the other descriptions of god in the Calls, seems to have no elemental affinity and I can see no reason why the word should be changed.

I once invoked the angel IDOIGO to examine whether there is a connection between his name and the word in the Call. He wasn't especially helpful but one of the Heptarchical angels who has proved quite helpful to me in filling in a few gaps indicates that the word expresses different concepts, much like the angel and archangel Michael - same name, separate entities.

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I agree with Vaoan on the angel/archangel point. The name IDOIGO ("He Who Sits On The Holy Throne") signifies something entirely different in the Calls as to when it is invoked/evoked from the Watchtower of Air itself. Afterall, using the Watchtowers will flavour the name (and therefore the being) quite strongly.

I feel this was just a personal thought of Crowleys, which is certainly understandable, but there are also instances where Heptarchic names are used in the Calls (see BVTMONO, which is one of the Heptarchich Princes, but means "Of His Mouth" in the Call of the 30 Aethyrs). Only the name of the Aethyr should be changed.

LLLSHJ,
Yechidah.