Meltdown planet Earth?, Is Katrina ominous sign of future Options

According to the scientists were going to have one of the worst hurricane, typhoon etc seasons ever recored in America. Katrina's damage has been massive, far more than the average storm. Of course it's unfortunate that so many have died.

I'm mainly wondering, who here thinks that this is really just a period of natural climate change, or if this is ominous sign that the world's eco-terrorism will lead to greater and greater natural disasters until earth is just a junk heap.

My personal belief is that the world is changing for the better, but by being narrow minded and not understanding the true nature of the sentiment of terrorism most of the world will abuse the resources of the world will become a very bad place to live. Of course, I know that we as a whole believe science will rescue us from everything and it will be interesting to see if science really does supply us with those things which we need. I'm interested to hear what everyone else thinks about this.

This gives me a chance to ask the guestion, do you think the sea will give New Orleans back? I mean they're below sea level and attempts to fix the levee have failed, and the only way to get that water out is to pump it out. So even if the city gets that far, it will still reek for years.

To kind of answer your question, I think science could save us, but there's too many greedy corporate jackasses to let it happen. They can make cars that don't run on gasoline but they won't, they can make a car that lasts for 50 years but they won't. They could bring down the gas prices if they wanted to but they won't. They're storing this oil and sitting on it, claiming there's a shortage and it's a good excuse for price gouging. It's digusting. Simply put, we can do without these non-renewable resources and pollution but its cheaper for the big business owners to dump the pollution in a river and keep the hybrid vehicles under wraps. And there's plenty of coruption in the government to let all this crap keep happening.

Take a look at some statistics in New Jersey. I'm from South Jersey, and because we live so close to Dupont and three mile island, I know alot of women who for some reason can't have children or have dangerously abnormal menstral cycles. Sadly, I also know more and more women with breast cancer. If you're not takin care of the earth your not takin care of the women and there goes mankind.

::deep breath:: I think I'm done rambling....phew... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angel.gif)

One could try and live in harmony with nature. If you build a city below sea level don't be suprised when it floods. There is no way of knowing if the recent storms are caused directly by man made factors, it may just be a blip in the natural cycle. The weight of evidence indicates that man made factors ARE having an effect, and that this effect will become greater if we do nothing to stop polution etc.

Planet earth is not intended to be the permanent resting place for the the soul. It is only a transit place. After your death, you move to astral sphere. Do not get attached to earth. In any case there was no life on earth some time in past and there would be none in the future after sun exhausts its energy.

I have been debating on whether I should post my thoughts in this thread or not, but my fingers keep typing, so here goes...

Since the dawn of civilization there have been people who have sensationalized great tragedies into being signs of the "End of the World." This is evidenced in the flood story from ancient Mesopotamia, the Black Plague, the New Madrid earthquake of 1911, right through to the recent Tsunami, and yes, even Hurricane Katrina. This is by no means a comprehensive list of events, I would think that if one were to drive around any major city one would find at least one or two "prophets" who would be willing to explain to you all of the wonderous signs taking place around us that PROVE that we are living in the last days of the world.

Every time nature throws something at us that our limited minds cannot comprehend we seem to view it as the end of the world... well I guess in one sense it is.

We are changed by these events, and when we change our world changes, we are no longer able to sustain our isolation within our homes and jobs, we are exposed to the greater world around us, and it is no longer the world that we remember it to be. We become once again like children, and we must open our minds to explore the new facets of reality that have been exposed to us.

And also like children, our minds tend to take those parts of reality that we cannot understand and turn them into signs and wonders. We run to our "parents" and ask for answers. Classically, our "parents" have been Religion and Science. We look to them to answer the really big questions, we look to them to give us some control over this mad-capped crazy world that is unfolding around us. Unfortunately, like most children they expect their parents to have all of the answers and to be able to fix everything and make things just like they always were. When in fact no one can do that... the world keeps changing, and we have to change with it.

As durki pointed out in an earlier post, this planet has not always been inhabited by humans... in fact we are a relatively new development here. And if science is to be believed, then the tempests which are ravaging the world today are but pale shades of the tremendous forces of creation that shaped this sphere. Storms like Katrina, and many much greater, have been taking place for milennia, we just haven't had the technology to expose people to the reality of these storms until recently. Ancient mariners didn't have our current system of classifying storms, so we can't look back over the records to see how bad many of the storms they did record really were. That isn't even taking into account the fact that many of the places these storms hit were inhabited by people who saw no intrinsic value in recording these events beyond the stories they told their children.

Anyway... oddly enough none of the points above were my main reason for writing this post... I was trying to say:

We ARE always living in the last days... OUR last days. Even if you believe in reincarnation, you still don't get to come back and do THIS ONE over again. The world will never be the same as it was with you in it, when you are gone the world that existed with you in it will end. There is no need to fear this though, because new worlds are constantly being created, with each new birth, new possibilites that have never before existed are opening up.

The fact of the matter is, IMO, you are wasting your time if you are sitting around waiting for either Religion or Science to do something to better the planet. It would be much more helpful if YOU got up and did something, anything, whatever it is in your power to do in order to make this world a better place.

I think it is absolutely rediculous to hear people complain about the destructive properties of burning fossil fuels, then turn around and climb into their car just to drive to the local market. Then they complain about the price of gas! There is no one holding a gun to your head making you drive that car! Take the bus, or ride a bike, heck there is even the option of walking.

Yes I know that not everywhere has public transportation, but lack of local buses doesn't equal a lack of options, you can choose how you live your life, where you live, where you work, everything... if you don't like where you are, I suggest you move. If you aren't happy with the world, I suggest you do whatever it is you can to make it better, because as I said above, you don't get a second chance.

If you would do anything differently, if you would change anything, DO IT NOW! If you think it is very important, then don't wait for someone else to do it, do it yourself! Remember, you don't know if tomorrow exists for you or not... these are "The End of Days."

Thus endeth my rant... I now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion.

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Is it just me, or did anyone else not notice the string of natural occurances? It's not just hurricanes, but tsunami's, earthquakes, volcanoes waking up, etc.

I never paid much attention to it until one day I was listening to the news back in my home town, and lo and behold, three of the "dormant" volcanoes in the city suddenly started rumbling. This was most likely due to Mt. St Helen's starting her business up, since the city was part of the "Ring of Fire". That same city suffered two summers ago with massive forest fires in the surrounding moutains that enveloped the city. Fire broke out again this year, because the roots from some trees still smoldered...almost two years later! The same thing happened last year with the roots....fun.

My birth province has been in a draught for the past 8 years. At Christmas, we get to celebrate a "Black" one. When I was little, we used to have snow banks that reached the top of the house. My brother and I would friggen make two story snow houses! The wheat used to be almost 3-4 feet tall. Now we're lucky if it gets to a foot, hell, even survives. This year it was freezing and windy. My mom informed me that it finally started getting semi warm near the end of July. Considering that Saskatchewan is hella hot in the summer, and hella cold in the winter...people are wondering what the hell is going on?

And this in only in Canada. I won't even begin on the now noticeable decline with the rest of the world, short of what is now blantently obviouse.

People JUST started noticing this crap....the earth has to go to extremes for us dumbasses (pardon) to realize that "OH! We're screwin the place up!". This decline has been going on for years, it was subtle at first, now it's BAM! IN YOUR FACE! stuff. It's Global Warming. There have been threats about GW for years and years....but lo and behold, with all those threats, we STILL don't see that we're already friggen in it.

The currents in the oceans effect our weather patterns, they've usually been really consistent with that. Hmm...did anyone hear that the currents are no longer consistent? They've been going off course for about 10 years..slowly, yes....but enough to mess everything up.

The earth is purging, and I say Hell Yeah! It's about time! I may be all "cold hearted" about it, but I'm fiercly protective of nature, and I get wicked pissed off at people who abuse it and don't give to sh**s about it. I do what I can to save, I recycle, I take the bus, I don't litter, I conserve energy, etc....I also understand that we're on our last leg, and it's pretty much end all here. We've gone too far, and people can set up greenhouses to try and bring back endangered plants, or reserves to protect endangered animals that WE KILLED OFF....but it won't do a lick of good. We set our own destruction...plain and simple.

And that's only natural occurances...look at the rest. Terrorism, Bush, nuclear weapons (which where SUCH a good idea!), greed.

Soon the prices of gas will rise even more, and with that the government will have to take actions. Local farmers here in Belgium are growing crops to produce gas, the fuel made by these crops is environmental friendly and the growing plants do more than reduce the co2 their fuel puts out.
The farmers are happy also, since they were almost out of buisines here, now they to have a new source of income. If even only 15% of the worlds fuel comes from these crops it will go far to diminish the greenhouse effect.

The world will change, the fossil fuels are depleting and they will become more and more expensive as the years go by. The time has come that we are forced to switch to alternative fuel sources. And i for one beg that the prices of fossil fuels rise even further into insane prices.

Perhaps the earth will rebel some more, perhaps some more natural disasters will occur, serves us right. But in the end we will not die out and neither will the planet. And if more governments start supporting green fuels like is happening in my country, then the earth will quickly restore itself.

What can we do, all kill ourselves.
My food comes from the store, and is often imported from over the world. It costs fuel to power the boats and trucks that transport these products. It costs fuel to heat up the convenient store. It costs fuel to power their coolers. It costs fuel to create electricity. It costs fuel to power our computers.
Everything costs fuel, whether directly in your car, or via the electricity network, fuel is always burned. True, sometimes a nuclear power plant provides electricity...

We are at the fag end of the Iron Age. Third world war will get triggered in second half of twenty first century. World will end. After a gap of a few hundred years when the debris would have been cleared away and the required confluence period completed, people from higher dimensions will make a colony on earth to usher in the Golden Age.

Although I don't totally agree with the hermetic viewpoint of Durki and AVP I think it's worthwhile to take the end of the world with a grain of salt. I think the true battle of society is to stay relevant, if we no longer have a meaning, a purpose on this world then the world becomes something less than it should be. Something I wholeheartedly hope never to see. I think the most annoying aspect of the argument is quite simple, there's really no need to be polluting and destroying the world as rapidly as we are (it's an undeniable fact that seeing more stars in the sky and breathing fresher air is very beneficial to one's health) There are far more numerous sources of power and energy that should be under far more pressing research from the entire world.
In closing I would just like to applaud dollhousekitty for her stance, as I for one admire that sort of determination.

Bb3, is it fair on your part to censor me & extol DollHouseKitty ? I have given you the factual scenario based on the hard world situation & supported by my intuition. Of course I do not have any grudge against DollHouseKitty.

Modsquad note - Durki, I assume you mean 'censure' rather than 'censor'. Bb3 is not a mod and so cannot edit or censor your posts. - Mediocracy.

This post has been edited by mediocracy: Sep 5 2005, 01:05 PM

ummmm, no of course it isn't. Remember I'm simply praising a person for fighting the fight they wish to fight with seemingly 100% tenacity, taking the bus everywhere is something I just don't want to do all the time.

people from higher dimensions will make a colony on earth to usher in the Golden Age.

People have been talking about the 'Golden Age' for a long long time. Some say it happened with super advanced magick/science in the past (Altantis etc) and some say it will happen in the future.

The Golden Age could be right here and now. The only thing is we don't want to build it ourselves, we want some miracle to happen instead. Hurricanes, floods, earthquakes, Tsunami... shit happens. It is not some harbinger of biblical wrath or the awakening of the goddess, it is just that shit happens. It might be a useful wake up call that we reap what we sow. Polute the planet and it becomes a less nice place to live. Leave the poor behind whilst the rich run for the hills, you can't escape the tragedy because the pictures touch us all.

Just found this story on the BBC news website. Illustrates how some noble folk will help others at great personal risk...

At 8137 Oleander Street - the Golean Banquet and Reception Hall - Eva Morgan leaned out a second-storey window in response to Mr Mooney's call.

"Where you taking people?" she wanted to know.

They explained there was a mandatory evacuation on.

"There's going to be nothing here for a month - no stores, no water, no food, nothing," Mr Mooney shouted up to her.

"I know," she said. "I got five people up here who need to get out. But they need a lot of help."

Mrs Morgan, it turned out, had stayed behind with her family and a friend, Andrew Smith, to rescue other people in the neighbourhood.

In a boat smaller than Mr Henry's, Mr Smith had been cruising the neighbourhood searching for elderly and disabled people trapped in their homes.

He and the Morgans had brought about 40 people into the second-storey banquet hall over the course of the week, carrying many up the stairs because they could not walk.

As rescue craft passed, they hauled the people they had saved back down the stairs and sent them outside the city to safety.

'Water everywhere'

Those helped to leave by the Morgans and Mr Smith included: Joseph Miller, 59, partly paralysed due to a spinal cord injury; Mark Myles, 52, deaf, slender and withdrawn; Joseph Butler, 78, clutching a walking stick - and his wife, Mary Butler, a spry 76-year-old who described how she and her husband had weathered Katrina on Monday and gone to bed thinking the worst was past.

"Then we woke up on Tuesday morning and there was water everywhere," she said, still startled by the memory days later.

She had filled a bathtub with water before the storm hit, and had stockpiled tins of soup, which she and her husband ate cold.

Finally, on Saturday, Mr Smith and the Morgans found them - and a day later, handed them over to the burly Mr Mooney, who heaved them into the boat as gently as he could.

Mr Pierce, 40, who had helped bring people down the steps, joined the evacuees, but Mr Smith and the Morgans stayed behind.

"Yeah, we'll get out in a little while," Mr Smith said, leaning against a handrail with a grin. "But we know there's more people around here still."

Just as there are cycles of the seasons in a sub-continent, even so there are cycles of Ages on earth. There are 5 Ages : Golden, Silver, Bronze, Iron and Confluence. Their time-spans reduce as you move from Golden to Confluence. Confluence Age consisting of about 500 years starts from the year 2069 A.D. which means that third world war breaks out & the world ends. Just as for movement of a vehicle, wheels are required ; even so for movement of the world, cycles are required.

This post has been edited by durki: Sep 7 2005, 03:08 AM

*stares* I seriously have no idea how to react here. I'm getting mixed emotions, non of them seem to be very positive at that.

Way to farfetched for my tastes....

Be a good girl @ DollHouseKitty and try to be receptive. We are here to enlighten and not brainwash you.

Durki, i see very little in you post that will enlighten anyone. Your assertion about the 'ages' is your own speculation and is not supported by anything other than your own belief.

People have been predicting the end of the world for a long long time. It hasn't happened yet, and your prediction for 2069 seems a spurious as all the others that have come and gone over the years.

Well, those with an open mind would surely realize that the new era has already begun, it started in 77 with the discovery of chiron by astronomers. If you've failed to make the jump forward then I guess you'll have to await the total change with the rest of mundania. Another thing is that, if you think about it world war III has already begun, it's the wake up call on terrorism, for years humanity has slept on it, failing to acknowledge it. Truly it is worthy to be called world war III as well, for this is a spiritual war, where the gentle fire of inner-awareness must be sparked so that men and women shall realize that terrorism is prevalent in so many shapes and forms and has begot a mighty grasp onto the whole of humanity.
My question is mostly, will the world survive to see such a change. I think a great many people have seen an interesting change in the weather patterns around the globe. However coincidental it might be, I don't recall hearing about any other huge tsunamis that have caused as much damage as that one which came most recently. Most everyone is familiar with the mayan date of december 12 2012 and how on that date venus will die in the heavens, and with it a great change will surely be set into the stone, but will the change be for good or nought? I ask for any with knowledge or even an opinion to speak as this is a very relevant topic of great interest. I believe the change will be for good, but I still think that humanity must capitalize on such a gain or else risk threat of overindulgence. The world powers as a whole need to truly begin exploring more natural sources of power and fund them properly.

My question is mostly, will the world survive to see such a change. I think a great many people have seen an interesting change in the weather patterns around the globe. However coincidental it might be, I don't recall hearing about any other huge tsunamis that have caused as much damage as that one which came most recently.

On a long enough time scale humanity has no future on planet earth. Why worry? All things are transient in nature, it is only the grasping ego that wants things to endure.

The Tsunami cannot really be blamed on climate change. The reason it had such a devistating effect is that due to population growth the coastal areas which were once not inhabited have become full of people. Industrialization of food production has allowed global population to grow to such an extent that natural disasters are having bigger and bigger impact.

It is not really sensible to build a city below sea level. It is not sensible to build a city on an earthquake zone over a fault line. Tokyo, San Francisco, New Orleans... all at risk from natural disasters. It is from our human perspective that these appear to be harbingers of doom, when in fact they are just natural events that we get caught up in. Lightning strikes, sometimes people get hit, its nothing personal on the part of nature.

So all this talk of 'end of the world' is just a humanocentric egoistic point of view. Once you accept the transient nature of all things it brings it all back into focus.

Durki, i see very little in you post that will enlighten anyone. Your assertion about the 'ages' is your own speculation and is not supported by anything other than your own belief.
  People have been predicting the end of the world for a long long time. It hasn't happened yet, and your prediction for 2069 seems a spurious as all the others that have come and gone over the years.

mediocracy, I have conversed with entities who have their abode above causal spheres and who are also involved with human existence on earth. I got this 2069 A.D. time for end of the world from them after great pursuation.

On a long enough time scale humanity has no future on planet earth. Why worry? All things are transient in nature, it is only the grasping ego that wants things to endure.
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So all this talk of 'end of the world' is just a humanocentric egoistic point of view. Once you accept the transient nature of all things it brings it all back into focus.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ac42.gif) Well Said! I wish I could have coughed that up in my first post.

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mediocracy, I have conversed with entities who have their abode above causal spheres and who are also involved with human existence on earth. I got this 2069 A.D. time for end of the world from them after great pursuation.

I talk to entities too, but it's part of my job. So I should look at this guy and think, well...no big deal. But no, I can't. I look at this guy and think "Who let him out?". 2069, 2012, 2895, 47, and the great number...42.

I'm usually a pretty accepting person, yes. But this is just something I can't even amuse myself with...it's much too mind-numbing.

who will bet his life on it, i wont. And no phun intended.
The future is not set in stone, predictions are never fully accurate.

And i for one don't care, by the time of 2069 i will have wasted this body already, though the apocalyps sounds like an interesting and worthy event to end my current life with.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I agree with DollHouseKitty, she is wise once again.

I'm being modest, but I really don't think I'm That wise? Heh?

I so can't deal with compliments, lol.

Time in its maturity will show who will have the last laugh. I reiterate that not even a trash of life would be found on earth by March of 2069. Conjunction of planets is such that saturn, moon, venus and mars will wreak havoc on earth while sun, jupiter and mercury will be passive witnesses.

Post script : DollHouseKitty, I am scared stiff of your avatar.

I think you should learn to accept the female form. It's certainly not going to friggen bite you.

You can say all you want about maturity and "2069", but based on ONE single persons talk of it (which does not by any means sound really sane) does not constitute everyone bowing at your feet for more information on a subject that has been twisted dry long ago.

it is lovely art, the female body is living art and beauty.

i think it is rather foolish to make such claims based on no hard evidence.
Always be prepared to be wrong, how can you be so certain what will happen at any given time.

So many before you, just as you durki, have claimed the end of the world would happen at some date. So far all of them have been wrong. I have no doubt that you will be proven wrong in the end also.

This post has been edited by A_Smoking_Fox: Sep 9 2005, 10:41 AM

It's quite obvious (well maybe not to all) that we're at the end of days which was spoken about in the bible.

Surely the mighty acts of nature such as the recent hurricane (more like two massive tornadoes but that's another thread); the tsunami at the start of the year; the tornado in the Far east; the earthquakes .... are all the predicted acts of god??

Our great technological world is powerless to prevent the rushing, whooshing, crashing of nature. We are at the mercy of it all and still we bicker and argue amongst each other. Still we permt ourselves to be fooled into the wars and the acts of violence which we see every day on the news.

We should be uniting together not fighting each other.

There comes a time when the scientist should be silent and listen to the seer and the prophet ... for the latter two have the answer in their minds. The truth will will never come to the scientist who is motivated by the fallible mortal logical mind. The truth comes to they who have transcended the logic.

I firmly believe the words of the community which is around me. They speak of the end of the world we know and the start of a new one. One we enter around 2012 ....

I am kindly supported by these people. Very learned people ... by conventional day. Doctors, a police commissioner, a QC .... after work hours they join up in deep meditaition and practise the mystical arts.

I have been among them now for about two months and the change in my perspective is intense. It is here I found my soul mate.

Sadly where we live will be flooded in the next decade or so.

There is a strong belief here that HUrricane Katrina was man made. That it was a normal hurricane adjusted and directed to areas of USA which will have the most economic effect on the entire world.

These hurricanes are the fearsome demons of the atlantean period ... raised by Belial to fight the children of the one .... they have come again.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050916/ts_nm/...onment_ozone_dc

Apparently the ozone layer will reach a record level of depletion fairly soon.

You have no idea how much that disgusts me, the ozone I mean.

It's so sad to see that we are doing this to ourselves....the irony.