Re-writing History with Goetic Spirits, Goetic Revalations Options

Dear Goetic operators,

I now open the floor to all those who wish to comment on the idea of being able to re-write and introduce history through truthful Goetic revalations of past, present, and future. Has anyone inquired about history's mysteries? How the earth began, the purpose of Jesus Christ, history's general lost answers, the final resting place of lost artifacts and the mysteries of Stonehenge, and the pyramids. All this would be very useful information and if the revalations are true, there would be no need to confront false logic on the part of speculative human beings when armed with truth (they have access to these truths, or at least some of them do) Has anyone ever inquired about these sorts of things? Please share if you have, and if you plan to ask, post your questions here. Any experiences with revalations of lost truth? I often find that Goetic operators conjure for selfish reasons and fail to recognize what treasures can be found by just asking.

--Curi

I would like to hear your own answers that you have received.

In my own opinion, "true" history does not exist. In my own experiences when questioning the spirits of the goetia or other entities during evocation, the answers given are as subjective as those that are produced by humans. If 5 people all witness a car accident they will all give varied answers of what occured. This is the same with the spirits of the goetia. They can no doubt give an account or information about something but they cannot give an account that is agreed on by all. These answers simply aren't possible.

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This post has been edited by chaoscrowley37: Nov 6 2005, 05:26 PM

This is true. Not all history is actually true. But if there is consistency in one account to another that states something occured, we take it as truth (universality in understanding and reason). If, say, a total of five spirits were asked the same question during a course of different evocations, a common thread may show up. Just what do these spirits have to say about what scientists, anthropologists, archeologists, theologians and so on have been arguing about since quite literally the beginning of time. I attempted one Goetic operation this Halloween and conjured the spirit Voso with very little success (facial distortion using Poke Runyon's Magick of Solomon book). I have studied the occult for years and have grown in wisdom in the subject. I have seen differences in why people evoke and found it interesting that the Akashic Records existed (where spirits can access and gather information about the secrets of the universe). But the question is if these supposed records (spoken about in Konstantinos' Summoning Spirits) are subjective. I have yet to speak to the spirits on historical, scientific and religious matters. I will most certainly post new developments and if anyone would like to join in on a very different reason for evoking and post their accounts here it would be most appreciated. If anyone has ever asked a spirit regarding a matter of history, science, theology, mathematics, or any other thing largley contraversial (ex: evolution) or universally mysterious (ex: Stonehenge, the pyramids of Egypt) subject please let us know and remember to come back if you've asked the spirits one of these very special questions as I have promised the Forum I would.

--Curi

I originally posted this on 'Occultforums' and it may be of interest here. However it is purely subjective. This was by no means an attempt at physical manifestation of the spirit, at best it was an attempt of mediumship. However visions of the blue lights both by me and my wife was real. Although these two events may of course be coincidental.

I've underlined what I feel is pertinent to this thread.

"A few nights ago I attempted to contact the 11th Goetia spirit 'Gusion' via skrying into the crystal. I placed the crystal (a real quartz ball) on his sigil. After a summons to Gusion I awaited to see if anything would appear in the crystal. Nothing much happened other then a vision of a waxing crescent moon. I then retired to bed leaving the session 'open' hopeing for contact while I slept. At about 3am I was in that state of sleep and being awake when I found myself (in my imagination) in the centre of a crossroads in a woodland I know well. There I performed an evocation calling Gusion into the triangle of art. He appeared quickly as a tall beautiful irradiating blue angel, sensing that I was over whelmed he changed to human form, tall and slender, sharp featured with the most beautiful blue eyes. I asked him several questions most of which unfortunately I don't remember. However what I do remember asking was about the Enochian angels, if they really do exist. He replied in a soft but clear voice, that they do exist but Edward Kelley was on the most part a deceiver and that most of the Enochian system was mistranslated. But what really surprised me, Gusion said that this system was not meant for our world but in fact belongs to another universe. That there are many dimensions and each has their own magickal system. I was shocked by this 'thought' and was now becoming more awake. I thanked him for his candour and gave license to depart. I was now fully awake and I noticed in the top south east corner of my room a pale blue glow, the size of a large orange gradually fadding to nothing. The room was dark and the curtains were open so it's possible that this light came from outside, but I've never noticed it before or since.

Strangely enough my wife reported some weeks ago of a strange blue light around the door of our daughters bedroom in the early hours of the morning. She thought our daughter had left her TV on but this was not the case. It remains unexplained."

I thank the last person who generously described their experience! What one should observe whilst reading the commentary was that the spirits really have a voice when it comes to history (there was a mention of Edward Kelley, the Enochian language, magickal systems, and the universe).

Goetic operators, remember something--if someone watches a car accident occur, there may be different accounts here and there, but in the end all spectators will eventually come to agree (universality) that a car accident truly occured. It is probably the same way when it comes to asking different spirits the same question. It would be very interesting to delve deeper in questioning as many times the spirit will simply say something that may seem "out of this world" and the operator will simply banish the spirit. Konstantinos, in his work Summoning Spirits, claimed that when he evoked the spirit Marabas, he taught him secret rites of fire magick that he (the author) was made to promise never to reveal. Just something to think about.

These spirits are great sources of information. All one has to do is to be on "good terms" with a spirit and ASK ASK ASK! They are not only the keys to the past, present, and future, but also teachers in the secrets of the universe (again some examples: how did the earth come to be, the mysteries of the liberal arts, the rites of transfiguration, proper divination, how to cure diseases efficientley, who exactly was Christ, who thought up the pyramids, how was Stonehenge built). The there are many secrets yet to be found. And they can be! Just make sure the spirits are not deceiving you.

As I promised, if there are any further developments on my part I will post them on this forum. If there are any further insights or developments, please post them here. So many use the Goetia and evocation in general for selfish reasons (it can be used to bring about a better good, mankind seems to be in need of it on all different levels). The spirits have so much to offer and teach, might as well take advantage of the time we are given for this magickal journey. Re-write historical, scientific, and theological arguments today with the confidence that logic will be able to refute supposed truth! Knowledge truly is power! But beware, it can most certainly be dangerous!

--Curi

This post has been edited by curi: Nov 7 2005, 04:59 PM