Black Mirror Scrying Options

Ive been scrying for a while now. from what I read your sapposed to see a mist. but I just see images and landscapes .Its really starting to piss me off when everyones saying first you see clouds then you may get pictures. I just cant see the clouds. am I doing something wrong. am I even scrying at all?

Dont believe all you read. Just use what works for you. If you are seeing anything chances are your doing just fine.

Dont believe all you read. Just use what works for you. If you are seeing anything chances are your doing just fine.

Thanks 'Enochian, Its working for me even though its not how they describe its sapposed to be. and I really enjoy it at the moment the way it is so I guess its working for me just fine. Im just gonna enjoy doing it and thats the most important bit rather than get angrey at yourself because the results dont match what the books say.

Well said scryer.

Books can give you guidelines, nothing more. That's why this is Art, not science. I use an obsidian ball for scrying, and all I usually get are clouds. But my dreams often become more vivid and useful, and that's something else you might want to pay attention to as well.

What If your seeing more cloads because your using a crystal ball. maybe because its more 3d or something. although its still black.
Ive allways wanted to try a obsidian ball. can you tell me. how does it work compared to a mirror ?. oneday If im ever rich Im gonna get an obsidian ball and an obsidian mirror (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ac11.gif)
I noticed last night that after scrying for a while when I close my eyes my visualization is really good behind clossed eyelids
I dont know about my dreaming since I do dream recall too so naturally my dream memory is pretty good
analysing your dreams is an awsome way to analyse yourself and your true fears and dreams. just like scrying I think these two things are connected. and I think its very possible to have a type of astral projection or RV just from scrying.

I've always had crappy to no results using a quartz crystal ball or plain silver mirror. Dunno why... *shrug*

Obsidian balls aren't that expensive. A decent size one will run you between $30-60 bucks on average, but that's for a good five-inch diameter ball. Look around at rock and gem shows. A lot of dealers, if they like you, will give you deep discounts. I grew up w/a lot of them here (hitting rock shows has been a hobby since childhood) and paying full retail is unknown to me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) A lot of carved obsidian, onyx, and miscellaneous other stone comes out of Mexico. Check out some of the local shops next time you're in Tijuana or Cancun.

Never tried a black mirror, but I'm tempted to get a picture frame and a couple cans of black spray paint next time I'm at Home Depot and see what I come up with.

Dont worry about the object your useing. If its a obsidian or clear crystal or black mirror or the mud puddle in the back yard it makes no differance. These things are all only focuses for your energy nothing more. The problem usually arises from not haveing a good single pointed meditation or disbelief one of the two. You have to dig deep and make sure there is no hidden disbelief. Hope that makes sense to you. You may even think "damn i know this is real" and still lurking somewhere is the religous teaching or something else that you subconciously hold too. Stalk yourself you will find the answer.

This post has been edited by Enochian: Jan 10 2007, 12:48 PM

I found it really helps to do an ajna meditation called Trataka.when I do this for 20 min and then start crying I always see results and I have seen the mirror full of mist and usually I see it very shortly. And I burn some Myrrh since this is supposed to be good for scrying and put it right under my nose. only problem is after doing that my back is already pretty painfull and I can only do the scrying for another 10 min and I think I need atleast 20 min to get good solid results. so I have to get a backrest or something. Its comming along really slowly and its like a few seconds of progress per sitting. but I try to keep my beliefs open like what you said and I say. its not if but when. thank you everyone for your advice and Im going to keep traing and oneday I want to be a master seer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/showoff.gif)

Trataka is cool . . . "palming" your eyes can be an alternative preparation (for those of use that just can keep from blinking that long)

Try sitting in a plain, straight backed chair (like a dinning room chair). It can give some back support while encouraging good posture (for energy flow)

Mugwort can also be a good scent for divination . . . but I personally prefer making a tea out of it (not for drinking, just from the aroma/scent)

consider a "practice" of relaxation and/or pranayama/pratyahara (this also assumes the other steps of raja yo)

Keep up the practice . . . even 10 minutes done regularly can provide amazing results in a relatively short period (a few months or so)

Dont worry about the object your useing. If its a obsidian or clear crystal or black mirror or the mud puddle in the back yard it makes no differance. These things are all only focuses for your energy nothing more. The problem usually arises from not haveing a good single pointed meditation or disbelief one of the two. You have to dig deep and make sure there is no hidden disbelief. Hope that makes sense to you. You may even think "damn i know this is real" and still lurking somewhere is the religous teaching or something else that you subconciously hold too. Stalk yourself you will find the answer.

To a large degree, that is true. However, I've found that the material CAN matter. Certain people just mesh better with some things than others, and that's something to be taken into account. Stones, in particular, can have their own personalities (for lack of a better term), and different ones do different things. For example: I've a lovely rose quartz sphere with a star in it. For meditation and relaxation exercises, it's great. For scrying it's not worth the paper it was wrapped in to keep it from getting scratched on the way home. So...

Cultures the world over have used all manner of objects and surfaces to scry. See what works and what doesn't and go from there. And if you get better results by doing various meditations and rituals beforehand, great! Share them, I'm sure they'd help a lot of beginners get started.

With quartz the connection is easy to make because of the vibrational level its at. But really water is very easy to use because we ourselves are so much a part of it. A big part is the setting. If its negative to you than it wont work. Same is true for the device. But its all only mental. Actually i do like to scry but keep it very limited. I noticed that it grounds you more than i really want. But hey to each his own.

This post has been edited by Enochian: Jan 11 2007, 04:32 PM