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Xochipilli
post Jan 10 2007, 11:23 AM
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Im sure nearly everybody heres experimented with lucid dreams at one point or another. What abilities have you all mastered when dreaming??

Heres what I can do:

Fly (That one came on accidentally, one time I realized myself flying in a semi lucid dream then I knew I could do it so I started practicing and now I can do it in any lucid dream I have any time I want. All I do is leap off the ground and im flying)

Smash windows (I find that way harder than flying but im started to be able to do it easily now)

Stop traffic (I can walk in front of moving cars and not get run down)

Thats all I can do so far. Im still practicing breaking windows and other objects. Once I moved through a wall but most of the time when I try I get stuck in the wall and the dream blacks out.

I hear people can materialize objects and scenery when they want. I cant even begin to practice doing that. Im still learning to dream without everything fading away. I have to keep on my toes and keep moving and shifting my attention otherwise everything disintegrates.

Another thing I cant do is have sex with women. Rarely do I ever spot a nice looking woman in a lucid dream but when I do I hardly even get around to taking my pants off and the dream fades away.

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Nosotro Tehuti
post Jan 10 2007, 10:35 PM
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Greetings,

You bring up a good point about lucid dreaming. The more emotional or intense the action you are attempting, the more difficult it is to do.
When I first started with lucid dreaming and astral projection years ago, i was never able to do anything really spectacular until i realized that you need to ignore the emotion connected to it.
Or rather, you need to see that emotion, recognize it, and then dismiss it. Your speaking of lucid sex is a perfect example. Dreaming up your dream girl/guy, will no doubt dredge up some intense emotions or feelings. So getting kicked out the dreamscape at such a moment is not surprising. It took me a long time to develop my lucid abilities to such a degree where sex was possible.
As for calling up landscapes and doing the 'world builder' stuff, that takes many years. I've only been able to do so for about four years now. I accomplished it by assuming the form of the deity i worship. Essentially, I took what i saw when I evoked Him and became it. For the first year or so the dream cycle would end with that. But time after time after time, it just got longer and easier. Eventually I was able to assume this God Form and hold it.
The next step was employing, using, the 'powers' i believed my deity possesses. At first it was doing things like calling up a gentle fog. Then altering the color of the sky. Eventually I gained total control of the dreamscape.
Don't get discouraged, it will happen for you as it does us all.

P.S, you may also want to start keeping a dream journal. When u wake up from a dream, write it down instantly. Then review in the A.M. Use it to find out the dominant aspects of your dreamscapes.

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post Jan 12 2007, 11:42 AM
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Youve nearly mastered everything I can think of in dreams by the sounds of it. Your only 22 how long have you been doing it for? Unfortunately I still only have random lucid dreams about once a week so dont have that much time to practice. Im gonna try and keep disciplined enough to look at my hands 20 times a day for a month. I keep doing it for about a week then give up.

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post Jan 12 2007, 01:47 PM
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Greetings,

I don't know if I'd say I mastered much of anything, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uglyhammer.gif)
I started in dream and astral work at about ten or so. My older brother had been practicing it for quite alot of years when I got interested in it. So he was actively teaching me from the start. I suppose having a flesh and blood teacher around 24/7 just sped things up or something.
One of his most potent methods of teaching dreamwork was to sit behind me out of sight and do the 'hypnotist' method of describing a sequence and helping me into a trance state. Then instead of waking me up, he'd just leave me to fall asleep with the 'suggestion' of lucid dreaming.
i highly recommend this method. if you don't have someone who's able to sit in as the hypnotist then try using a good quality tape recorder, or use a mic and burn a cd on your computer.
Just come up with hypnotic sequence. This one works well,

Your in a dark room.
You see nothing.
Still nothing.
Now you see a white light.
A glowing white square in the distance.
It's quite small, you walk closer.
Getting closer. You see something in the light.
A black shape.
Get closer.
Closer
Closer
The shape is becoming clearer.
Closer
Closer
The shape is a word.
This word is powerful.
You will obey this word completely.
This word is god.
Get closer
Closer
You can almost read the word.
Closer.
Closer
There.
You can read the word.
It is
SLEEP.

Now, when you read this into the recorder or whatever your using, do so slowly. Really breathe the words. Keep your voice soft and kind of deep, like you always hear hypnotists doing.
On the same recording as the above sequence, then put the suggestion. This should begin playing after you've entered the trance state. Keep it something simple.
Like '' Lucid Dream. Know your dreaming''' Have this part go for maybe a minute or so, then just leave the rest silent.
Just repeat it over and over on the tape in a clear, strong whisper starting about 5 minutes after the first sequence ends. This gives you time to drift off and get tranced enough.
Anyway, I know this seems a bit silly, but i had good success with it. Hope it helps.
Peace.

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post Jan 12 2007, 07:37 PM
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Im sure nearly everybody heres experimented with lucid dreams at one point or another. What abilities have you all mastered when dreaming??

I can do just about anything I can imagine within my lucid dreams. I use LCDs to travel space and time. Or satisfy my wildest fantacies. My dreams help me recall or review knowledge and information. I also use them as staging grounds for astral travel. I never successfully died though, within the dreams I mean; hence just about anything.

The way I'd suggestion going about producing a dream scape is to build it one dimention at a time. Sketch your dream world out. Then visualize the details while awake. Once your drawing is complete meditate on the final product and while doing this visualize your world. Once confident you can remember it all then start building it from within your dreams. Its an on going process and its never complete. And you're not really creating a new world, but rather making an image of the dream world you already have.

As far as generating my own dream scape well thats sorta complicated. Basically it starts around a main temple. First I started with pencil and paper, while completely awake. I created a layout for my dream world. The way I think of it is like in the original hobbit, TR Tolkien left a map in his books that depicted where all the lands and various land marks were where. Each place has its own scene and each land has its own tales to tell. So I created my own personalized map set up to my needs. Drew the outline, the various different islands and land masses, then picked where I wanted my central temple to be. My dream world is actually composed of a system of temples. Each temple acts as a node for dreaming and protection. My temples generate an energy sheild that extends to fortress walls at the ends of my dream scape.

While drawing I am actually visualizing each area of my world and trying to find a fitting place for all the different things and the various stories of my life. I actually worked from the outside in. I drew the various continents and islands and then I drew a wall that surrounds the entire land. Beyond this wall I imagined endless oceans in all directions. The fortress, coupled with the energy field, are a protective measure both to help focus and tune in on my own dreams and psychic energies but to prevent unwanted outside sources from interferring or invading. Each land is actually sort of like a world of its own. They also act as a portal into my mind. So I can use my dream scape not only as a retreat but platform for specific dreams. The basic concepts I use are - scenery, temples, protections and portals. The scenery composed my world. The temples focus in on and act as hubs of specific aspects of my psyche. As much as they are door ways into my mind they are also libraries of knowledge, stuff I've learned, experienced or never knew I already knew. The protections help keep me safe from outside harm. And the portals allow me to tailor pick my dreams beyond my dream scape.

Once I had it all on paper I then took it to the next level and meditated on all of this. While doing this I replayed the imagry I created while drawing and then started to visualize what the world looks like. Once I was confident I knew what I wanted I then took the construction to the third level, my dreams. In order to really be successfull at this one needs to at least be able to influence their dreams through dream incubation. This is the practice of setting objects that represent specific dreams one would like to have near their bed prior to sleep. Doing this sort of creates a sort of ritual. Each object has its meaning and relation to the intended dream and by setting them near the bed before sleep one leaves an imprint for their sub-consciousness.

However if you can do lucid dreaming comfortably and are able to sustain it for a period of time then thats the way to go, its much more direct. Once at this phase I started with my main temple. This place acts as a staging ground for all my self-induced lucid dreams. It acts as a nexus into my mind. Its the seat of my consciousness. This place enables me to travel to all the other lands via portals located in it. The temple also acts as a sort of looking glass from which I can run diagnostics and work on problem areas. Really it boils down to memorization. I still never see the exact same thing twice in any dream. But I have the major componets memorized - I know what the temple looks like and its dimentions. Once I was confident I could remember my temple I then began generating the various lands, land marks, icons and sub-temples, all the way until I finished at my walls and all I could see were endless oceans and I was satisfied I created the main world of my dream world. The various portals allow me to access other alternate realms and dreams. The dream scape is meant to not be set in stone. Thus I have no specific time of day or night or even season that I start out in. When I enter this place the color of the sky, time of day etc all are random. Sometimes even mixed. There is no end to it and if there was I'd get bored and destroy it.

The hardest part is maintaining a world of such vastness. And again its all about memorization and I highly value the use of mnuemonics and visual aids ,especially my dream journal. All I need to do is contemplate my original design or skim over my journal and I can visualize the various things within it as well as conjure memories.
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Another thing I cant do is have sex with women. Rarely do I ever spot a nice looking woman in a lucid dream but when I do I hardly even get around to taking my pants off and the dream fades away.

Lucid dreams are and altered state of mind not unlike meditation. It requires much practice and focus to maintain one's awareness in their dreams, obviously. However sex stimulates the mind in a way that is counter productive to the process of staying focused on the dream itself - the mind becomes more focused on sexual gratification. You can learn to have sex in your dreams. But its not the thing to try if you're a beginner still. You'd want to get good at maintaining your focus and control over your dreams while doing simple things and I mean start with the simplist things - like rubbing your hands together or blinking, walking of just general movement. Its like being a baby all over again. Once your motor skills are good then you can learn to talk, read and write. Now you can work on learning more advanced stuff like sex.
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Unfortunately I still only have random lucid dreams about once a week so dont have that much time to practice. Im gonna try and keep disciplined enough to look at my hands 20 times a day for a month. I keep doing it for about a week then give up.

I preffer the" Wake, go Back to Bed" technique. Its pretty simple. Set an alarm of some sort, even drink a glass of water, before bed. I'd set it to give you 6-7 hours of sleep, long enough to complete your REM cycle. When your alarm goes off don't get up (unless you need to releave yourself). Instead turn it off and go back to sleep. While going back to sleep attempt to recall your dream. The idea is that you still have enough melatonine in your body to quickly fall asleep. The trick is maintain awareness and this can be done by looking for signs that you are dreaming. There are actually a bunch of ways to go about this. Wikipedia has some you can check out here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dreaming


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post Jan 15 2007, 06:54 PM
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Hey a wanna come visit Acid (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Actually with a bit of focus on a particular temple i might....Nah i dont interfere with anyones dreams just as i would not enter someones home. Its rude. unless your invited.

My first great sucess came from wakeing in the morning early and than going back to sleep. But that is already covered. Also its amazing how much you affect dreaming while awake. The more your mind strays while awake the less results you have while sleeping. Stalking is a wonderful way to find wasted energy and utilize it for dreaming. And when you do wake up in the morning do not open your yes and do not move. Lie there and recover your dreams first than wake up fully. i realized that i was not having a lack of dreams i was just not remembering them.

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post Jan 17 2007, 02:59 PM
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Hey a wanna come visit Acid Actually with a bit of focus on a particular temple i might....Nah i dont interfere with anyones dreams just as i would not enter someones home. Its rude. unless your invited.

I think it would be very difficult to really invade a well made dream scape and even if somebody succeeded, wandering in another's mind might be hazzardous to one's health. When ever I help people formulate their own dream scapes I can never over state the value of mental defenses and barriers.

I've also noticed, at least for me, its easier to induce lucid dreams while resting on my back and not my sides or stomach.


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