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Apr 3 2007, 08:50 PM
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I found this in a google search... still not sure which side is write ... the Regardie argument or the Satanic side... either way my opinion of Crowley remains the same ...He was a Great mind and a Great man who was misunderstood by most people.
What is your opinion? Crowley a Satanist or not.
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ ALEISTER CROWLEY : SATANIST by 'Thelemite'
--------------------------- HYMN TO LUCIFER --------------------------
Ware, nor of good nor ill, what aim hath act? Without its climax, death, what saviour hath Life? an impeccable machine, exact He paces an inane and pointless path To glut brute appetites, his sole content How tedious were he fit to comprehend Himself! More, this our noble element Of fire in nature, love in spirit, unkenned Life hath no spring, no axle, and no end.
His body a blood-ruby radiant With noble passion, sun-souled Lucifer Swept through the dawn colossal, swift aslant On Eden's imbecile perimeter. He blessed nonentity with every curse And spiced with sorrow the dull soul of sense, Breathed life into the sterile universe, With Love and Knowledge drove out innocence The Key of Joy is disobedience.
According to Israel Regardie,
"anyone who says Crowley was a Satanist and a devil-worshipper should have his head examined."
Crowley's own references to Satan are stated by Regardie as being due to his desire to shock, be defiant, sarcastic or witty. (Regardie, The Eye in the Triangle).
Let us therefore consider the writings of Crowley himself to see whether the 'Satanism' of this remarkable personality can be so readily dismissed.
Crowley's literary executor and biographer, John Symonds, writes:
"Crowley's philosophy takes a bit from here and a bit from there... but... he was more a Satanist than anything else. 'I serve my great Master Satan', he wrote in one of his franker confessions, 'and that august Council composed of Beelzebub, Lucifuge, Asmodeus, Belphegor, Baal, Adrammelech, Lilith and Nahema.'" (John Symonds, The Great Beast).
RESTORING DEVIL WORSHIP In his major work Magick in Theory & Practice, Crowley describes the manner in which Satan fits into his intricate cosmology: the Aeon of Horus, which he believed he was destined and chosen to proclaim to mankind, includes the formula FIAOF of which the 'O' component is
"The exalted 'Devil' (also the other secret Eye {phallic worship}) by the formula of the initiates of Horus... This 'Devil' is called Satan or Shaitan, and regarded with horror by people who are ignorant of his formula...
"... We have therefore no scruple in restoring the 'devil worship' of such ideas...
"Thus the 'Devil' is Capricornus, the Goat who leaps upon the loftiest mountains, the Godhead which, became manifest in man, makes him Aegipan, the All."
DEFINING THE DEVIL Crowley's conception of the 'Devil' is not too far removed from that of contemporary Satanists. Crowley states that "The Devil does not exist", but then goes on to explain that "The 'Devil' is, historically, the God of any people that one personally dislikes. This has led to so much confusion of though that the Beast 666 [Crowley] has preferred to let names stand as they are, and to proclaim simply that Aiwaz - solar-phallic-hermetic - 'Lucifer' - is his own Holy Guardian Angel {Higher Self} and 'the Devil' Satan or Hadit of our particular unit of the Starry Universe. This Serpent, Satan is not the enemy of man, but he who made gods of our race, knowing Good and Evil..."
In his ritual for the Attainment of Knowledge and Conversation of his Holy Guardian Angel, Crowley identifies himself as the servant of Satan, "the Devil, out Lord..." ... "whose number of magick is 666, the seal of his servant the Beast" (Crowley).
The occult author Kenneth Grant, a former student of Crowley's and head of an English OTO lodge, comments that "this whole ritual is an invocation of Shaitan (Satan) or Set", Crowley's aim being union "with his Angel, Shaitan-Aiwaz."
Satan is, in Crowley's cosmology, "the Sun-Father, the vibration of Life that Flames with this cosmic Energy", the solar-Phallic Current.
In a ritual "to invoke the Energies of the Aeon of Horus, the ritual of the Mark of the Beast", the powers of ShT are called forth, ShT being Set/Satan/Shaitan, on which, writes Grant, "are concentrated the magical energies of the New Aeon."
CULT OF SHAITAN Grant, in contradiction to Regardie, writes that Crowley's Thelemic philosophy (a synthesis of Nietzscheanism, Eastern and Western mysticism, gnosticism and mythology expressed in his own powerful poetical style) is Satanic or Shaitanic.
Grant writes that Shaitan was the Chaldean form of the Egyptian Set.
"The cult of Shaitan was established in Sumer by the prophet Yezid... Crowley... revived the cult of Shaitan or Set." (Grant, Outside The Circles of Time).
It was Shaitan whom Crowley equated with Aiwaz, his own unconscious (Holy Guardian Angel); it was Baphomet, the idol of the Templars which Crowley adopted as one of his titles, which he equates with the 'Devil' (Crowley, 777 & Other Qabalistic Writings) and who but an inspired Satanist could write these powerful lines (?):
"With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross.
"I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed and blind him.
"With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and Din.
"Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds.
"Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you!"
(Liber AL).
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excerpted from "The Watcher", Jan/Feb/Mar 1990 e.v., Issue No. 1. originally edited by: Graeme Wilson 129 Scott Street Waverley Dunedin South Island New Zealand
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Imperial Arts |
Apr 6 2007, 12:11 AM
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It's clear that Anton LaVey took some inspiration from Crowley here and there. The ritual format, the use of Enochian, the off-hand reference to Crowley as a "great master" and the general self-exalting philosophy of Satanism has Crowley written all over it. Though they be loathe to make a public spectacle of the matter, and deny that they are essentially a renegade Thelemite sect, the IV degree Church of Satan representatives do acknowledge the many parallels between Satanism and Thelema.
Before LaVey, the whole concept of Satanism is relatively obscure. Things described as "Satanic" range from Lutheranism to cannibalistic pedophilia. It is clear that Crowley was more interested in drawing from classical sources than from the Malleus Maleficarum or Compendium Maleficarum. Certainly he used the Great Beast thing to some extent, but it more often comes across as liberal humanism than as an attempt to glorify the Devil directly.
All the same, there is hardly a mainstream Christian sect in the world that would accept him as a holy teacher when given the full bulk of his work. More likely they would consider him a servant of the Devil, willing or no. I suppose they have a right to declare who is or is not holy in the eyes of their sect. I would also wager that most Christians of any sect are highly wary of all things occult, even occultism where names of God or prayers are used, and there's no way around that. There's also no real reason to try and appease them.. personally I believe magicians would do better to show that magic is real than to beg for people to undertand that it is good.
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Apr 6 2007, 02:03 AM
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QUOTE(ChaosCrowley @ Apr 6 2007, 06:47 AM) He does refer to himself many times as a Thelemite. Note: AL I:40 "Who calls us Thelemites will do no wrong, if he look but close into the word." I can't recall any off-hand instances where he actually does that (I am sure they must exist though)...although certainly I can think of instances when he refers to those that follow Liber AL as Thelemites. However, as a point of note, there is the notion in some Thelemic circles that the quote above is supposed to represent a means for other people to identify us, rather than a self-referential term. The argument goes something along the lines that otherwise those involved in the current spend too much time trying to fulfil some archetypal ideal of being a "real" Thelemite, rather than actually just getting on with doing their Will. This, of course, would actually be antithetical to the point. Personally I can't help but feel that it is splitting hairs, but I raise it as a point of interest.
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Jun 25 2009, 10:07 AM
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I agree... Crowley did not assign Satan any more special a position than any other deity he dealt with symbolically. He's obviously not a Satanist any more than a Zeusist or a Piscean fish worshipper...! Obviously the whole confusion of this invented Satan character has rubbed off on Crowley and we couldn't really expect it not to. But the picture of Satan as invented as a folk tale to scare little children into morality is a strange conglomerate of Pan, Lucifer, Baphomet, Shaitan, Saturn, Set, Leviathan, the Beast of Revelation, the serpent in the Garden of Eden and whatever else you want to throw in there depending on your religious predilections of the time. Personally I find Snufalufagus a far more convincing fictitious character and to be honest more amusing too. Well, I may as well say now... I AM A SNUFALUFAGUSIST!!! (Gosh I really hope I am not shocking people and starting a new cult.)
In any case if we take the position that anything which isn't wearing bright white angelic clothing and claiming to be the word of the Most High God is evil and therefore Satan, we would be sorely mistaken because then Lucifer would easily deceive us for example, Son of the Morning Star that he is. Seriously, the idea that Crowley is a Satanist is probably an insult to his intelligence. One needs merely the most cursory of reads of his philosophy as it is espoused on Love, Life, Light, and Liberty to know that it is at the very least well-intentioned. Any claim to the contrary is taking his writings way out of context in a way despairingly similar to the most horrendous of biblical quote misinterpretations. To be fair he was an arrogant git, but certainly no Satanist. Nuf sed.
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