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Esoterigma
post May 25 2008, 05:06 AM
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*Inhales~exhales~inhales~exhales~*
I'm feeling this strange calmness descending over me~~
I have always (and still do) clearly know my career goal in life, but suddenly....I feel my life may have a more divine purpose if I so wish to pursue.
Today, I completed a whole lot of detailed and reliable Occult reading..... and I feel like I have "awakened"...to some extent.
I feel that nothing else matters around me anymore...the ppl who hurt me, the things that upset me.... all those unpleasant feelings.... They don't seem to matter~.
I feels as though I will never be intimidated again....that kind of calmness~~~

Higher spheres~~ higher beings~~ Tree of Life and its Sephiroths~~ spiritual realms~~ Akashic Hall of Records~~
So far removed from reality....yet..... strange as it may seem~~~ I wish to pursue Occult~~~ I really want to devote my later years to this art~! This Divine and Ultimate Art~!

I've read about divination, scrying, astral projection and other kinds of Occult.... but I have the most interest in the field of Evocation(and consequently Invocation).
I am currently in my initial stages of Evocation; just starting off the 'training exercises'. I wish to pursue the entities in each of the Ten Sephiroths within the Tree of Life (or the Kabbalistic Map of Creation). The entities and the tasks they pledge to perform has ignited my respect for the art of Occult.
I will carefully but steadily pursue these beings and with time and dedication, I am sure to obtain results.
My ultimate goal is to obtain a higher existence as i cross-over from this world(the mortal) to the next(the spiritual and the dead)~~although i still wonder about this~(whether I can accomplish this).
For now...I will focus on entering the astral plane and to learn from these knowledgeable higher beings within their energy spheres.

However, there are some things I'm pondering about at the moment after gaining knowledge from the trustworthy book I'm studying from:
#When a magician stands in the centre of a magic circle and invokes the Deity, they become God(magically speaking) and with this power of God, spirits are evoked.
-->Wonders if this is true~~ Somehow, it sounds too divine and almighty~~ Or is this acquired power of God only a very small fraction of all the powers God possesses? So a magician only obtains a very superficial level of the Godly powers?
#ALL creations were the work of God (all forms of entities and mortal existence and everything in between).
-->If this is true....then..... what created God himself? He is indeed the Infinite and Divine Providence~~ but what were HIS origins? Or is this an eternal mystery to mankind?

Please share your thoughts with me~~~ I would greatly appreciate all feedback, and respect all your opinions.

Esoterigma

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post May 29 2008, 12:11 AM
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I'm surprised I didn't notice this post before, I must have missed it. I'm also surprised no one else has responded... Anyway, here's my take.

QUOTE(Esoterigma @ May 25 2008, 07:06 AM) *
*Inhales~exhales~inhales~exhales~*
I'm feeling this strange calmness descending over me~~
I have always (and still do) clearly know my career goal in life, but suddenly....I feel my life may have a more divine purpose if I so wish to pursue.
Today, I completed a whole lot of detailed and reliable Occult reading..... and I feel like I have "awakened"...to some extent.
I feel that nothing else matters around me anymore...the ppl who hurt me, the things that upset me.... all those unpleasant feelings.... They don't seem to matter~.
I feels as though I will never be intimidated again....that kind of calmness~~~


I'm not going to suggest that you should ignore this feeling, not at all. But, what you're experiencing is pretty normal, and usually comes along with reading, contemplating, or generally receiving spiritual knowledge. However, only when it enters into you at a deeper level of consciousness than the superficial level that is most familiar to us. Plenty of people can experience the same words, and feel nothing. So congratulations!

On the one hand, that feeling can evolve into something good, and maintaining it to some extent will lead you to deeper levels of comprehension regarding that particular material. This happens with many people most commonly with scriptural study - bible, vedas, etc.

However, it is prudent to guard against letting the feeling totally consume you for too long. This leads to delusions of grandeur, egotism, and many of the pitfalls of occult study and practice. It's all about maintaining a balance, as with most things.

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Higher spheres~~ higher beings~~ Tree of Life and its Sephiroths~~ spiritual realms~~ Akashic Hall of Records~~
So far removed from reality....yet..... strange as it may seem~~~ I wish to pursue Occult~~~ I really want to devote my later years to this art~! This Divine and Ultimate Art~!

I've read about divination, scrying, astral projection and other kinds of Occult.... but I have the most interest in the field of Evocation(and consequently Invocation).
I am currently in my initial stages of Evocation; just starting off the 'training exercises'. I wish to pursue the entities in each of the Ten Sephiroths within the Tree of Life (or the Kabbalistic Map of Creation). The entities and the tasks they pledge to perform has ignited my respect for the art of Occult.
I will carefully but steadily pursue these beings and with time and dedication, I am sure to obtain results.
My ultimate goal is to obtain a higher existence as i cross-over from this world(the mortal) to the next(the spiritual and the dead)~~although i still wonder about this~(whether I can accomplish this).
For now...I will focus on entering the astral plane and to learn from these knowledgeable higher beings within their energy spheres.


It sounds like you have a good perspective on it. No words of warning here, except to always be sure to check the identities of the entities you encounter. The signs of the sphere in which they reside, their elemental signs, their own sigils, etc., there are many ways to do this and you will probably read about them if you haven't already. For beginners, it's easy to be deceived, and because we start off with so little true control over our emotions and thoughts, often times we can get taken away by whatever entity we encounter who gives us the 'right' feelings. Later on, with greater control and familiarity with entities that we go to often, or for that matter those which we are visited by, it becomes less critical.

With dedication, hard work, and faith in yourself, there is nothing you cannot achieve in any field - but especially so in the occult.

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However, there are some things I'm pondering about at the moment after gaining knowledge from the trustworthy book I'm studying from:
#When a magician stands in the centre of a magic circle and invokes the Deity, they become God(magically speaking) and with this power of God, spirits are evoked.
-->Wonders if this is true~~ Somehow, it sounds too divine and almighty~~ Or is this acquired power of God only a very small fraction of all the powers God possesses? So a magician only obtains a very superficial level of the Godly powers?
#ALL creations were the work of God (all forms of entities and mortal existence and everything in between).
-->If this is true....then..... what created God himself? He is indeed the Infinite and Divine Providence~~ but what were HIS origins? Or is this an eternal mystery to mankind?


These are some age old questions. Maybe there are answers, but so far no one seems to have found them. Nothing can ever acquire anything but the most minute piece of God, and yet in that minute piece all of God exists. God is formless, timeless, eternal, and we cannot grasp anything beyond the highest manifestation of God in Creation - it's true nature, that existence beyond creation, we cannot know - it is like your own thoughts trying to know you; a character you imagine can only know what parts of yourself you manifest to him, not the true nature of your being.

When we think of the origin of God, it is because we are thinking in terms of our own existence - we were born, and eventually we die (transition, etc.) We have at least a conscious beginning and ending that gives this life perspective and continuity on a line. We're thinking within the boundaries of time and space. To grasp even the manifestation of God beyond this physical existence, we must take time and space out of the equation. Really to say God is eternal is not even accurate - because where God is, there is no time by which to measure eternal. We say that god is formless, but without space for comparison, really there is not even that. The sepher yetsirah gives clues to opening the 'cube of space' - the matrix of our incarnate experience and ultimately of creation on higher levels as well - by which we may know personally the spaceless, timeless existence beyond our own, but they also say that to behold the face of God, well... insanity, destruction, etc., save for a rare few who were apparently then taken bodily to 'heaven' - ascended, essentially.

So, I typically vote eternal mystery. No matter how exalted and experience we have, there is always one beyond it that brings us closer to God. Closer to Union. But, while we can work towards that union for our entire existence to reach union with God - ultimately that is a Goal meant to evolve us, not realistically meant to ever happen. We could travel towards God forever and never reach that union, because God is infinitely beyond Creation even as it is the substance of creation. That does not mean we should not try. Often in scripture it says we will unite with God at the end of days, the end of creation. I have thought before that perhaps this is said by those who escaped existence for perhaps a moment, and beheld from such a lofty perspective all of existence at once, and perceived and end of days - even an eternity may seem to have an end from the point of view of a timeless existence. You could divide a single moment in time in half, and then divide those moments in half, and so on, and you would never reach a zero point - from your perspective, you could calculate and eternity of moments from that one.

Of course, all of this is just speculation, being the eternal mystery. Ultimately the contemplations on this subject are part of what drives the occultist to continue digging for the answers, to reach ever higher and become something more - something capable of understanding the answers that the occultist finds.

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post May 29 2008, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE(Esoterigma @ May 25 2008, 12:06 PM) *
However, there are some things I'm pondering about at the moment after gaining knowledge from the trustworthy book I'm studying from:
#When a magician stands in the centre of a magic circle and invokes the Deity, they become God(magically speaking) and with this power of God, spirits are evoked.
-->Wonders if this is true~~ Somehow, it sounds too divine and almighty
Please share your thoughts with me~~~ I would greatly appreciate all feedback, and respect all your opinions.

Esoterigma


when the magician stands in the circle it is a represntation of god becauese it is a circle - being a symbol of eternity. It is the microcosm of life, the universe and everything and so when you stand within the microcosm you should become one with it and therefore you are as god and able to work with these entities. Just to add a quote from wiki "Invocation can refer to taking on the qualities of the being invoked, such as the allure of Aphrodite or the ferocity of Kali. In this instance the being is literally called up from within oneself (as an archetype) or into oneself (as an external force), depending on the personal belief system of the invoker.
Just my take on it.

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post May 29 2008, 10:07 PM
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I sincerely express my thanks to you both for putting the effort to answer my question. Thank you so so much~~

Especially to VagrantD for your detailed response and reflections~ I had a strong urge to rep you, but that isn't enabled for me yet. However, rep points do not matter, it's the essence of my gratitude towards you that counts, right? *beams~*

I knew deep down that these questions were hard ones to answer, but nevertheless, I ventured to propose them....and I do not regret it. Even though the 'true' answers were not obtained(and I doubt anyone alive will have the answers....), I still gained a lot of insight into the thoughts of you both and I will do some more research and contemplating myself~. After all, the answers will come to me one day.... be it in this world... or the next~~

I shall keep working hard in my career dream AND keep up in Occult~~~
I will live up to it all~~~ and endlessly reach higher places.

See you around,
Esoterigma


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