Treasures..?, Hidden by jin Options

In morroco and Egypt there are people who claim that jin guards treasures and make them invisible.

there is a magick procedure to extract such treasures,

first locate the suspected treasure location,then look for a man or woman who was a child of a jin in a human body,they are known by signs like white circles and marks on their tongues,they cant see far objects and they have marks like hooks on their palms.then one must eat a uncooked seagull heart....this reveals the treasures and its jin guardians to the person,then keeping a black cock (male chicken) with female chickens for 7 months he will lay a golden egg,this egg when put on the treasure site then the treasure will be released for the taking.

these are the instructions giving for extracting treasures with curses or jin guardians.
Do you think this is true...the only part of this i am sure about is the seagull heart thing,because there was a burial chamber in the egyptian museium that appeared empty but the glyphs say that the treasure is hidden by the force of magick and that its unseen by humans. I ate the raw seagull heart and went there and i could see chests of gold and jewels,no body believed me then...but i saw them clearly...

what is your personal opinion about this topic...?

interesting

4-chambered?

edit: i would never be so mean as to steal a treasure guarded by a djinn, not out of fear, but out of love, besides, what need have i of boring earthly treasures?

and why a seagull, why not another type of bird?

This post has been edited by esoterica: Mar 27 2009, 11:17 AM

I would never do it as well,some practitioners do it for the mere vanity of defeating a jinn,some for wealth,this however is absurd,my intention here was to highlight a tradition used by the Moroccans I write things as i heard them and experienced them not changing a word,yet i believe that the vault of magick still contains valuable bits and pieces of magickal wisdom,its our duty to keep it pure,that's why i tried this recipe just for truth,not for any earthly treasure,wealth comes after wisdom in my calculations,why a seagull..?I have no idea actually.yet i have no information whether other birds cause magickal effects or not,i heard of Raven claws which aid you in communication with the dead but yet i don't know for sure.there are even more dangerous recipes done with the venom of snakes and lizard skins. A special preparation made with lizard skins are said to can transport you to another city in a glimpse,eating a spider in the morning of every day gives youth and beauty eternally.
yet we know very little ,the vault still contains secrets that not yet discovered.

got it - seagulls fly a very long way over water, seeing beneath the surface with very special eyes designed especially suited for the task (less glare off the water) - navy uav's have to use the same idea as a treatment on their lenses to see through the glare of the sun on the surface of the water

very interesting, thanks

There are treasure-finding spells in European lore, too. They are of three sorts:

1. Those designed to locate unknown treasures. This includes all forms of divination like dowsing and scrying, and necromancy wherein the dead are interrogated about things they had buried.

2. Those designed to locate a treasure that is known, but cannot be precisely locates. Examples of this sort of spell typically involve bringing a prepared object (like a scroll) into the area and observing changes as you move around the area. This is something like dowsing with more specialized equipment and the assumption of better odds.

3. Those designed to safely remove known treasures that are presumed to be perilous. Spells to pacify spirits of mines or facilitate safe removal of objects from tombs fall into this category

One of the fascinating elements of north African magical lore is the presumption of universality in its bits of superstition. Things like "the child of a djinn in a human body" and the various signs you describe are, for the outsider, total crap. If it were not supposedly traditional lore, one would tell the person speaking such things to step away from the crack pipe. As a series of prerequisites for a spell, these things are somewhat less absurd, but to say that a particular physical condition (like palm line formations) indicates a supernatural presence (like being the child of a Djinn) is unreasonable if not asinine. The idea that a rooster will lay an egg, under any conditions, is absolute nonsense no matter what the street wizards of a third world country will tell you. Certain hens do have rooster combs as a deformity, but these will not lay golden eggs.

As a side note, a true black rooster is rather rare. The last one I saw up for sale went for $600 and this is a typical price in the US though they are more common in the Mediterranean. Black feathers are not so rare, but a true black rooster with black beak and legs is hard to get and comes from an unusual breed.

You reference to the venom and lizards reminds me of the crow incident in Castaneda's Teachings of Don Juan.

The world has many treasures. The ransom of Atahualapa and the entire Golden Garden of the Inca has yet to be found. No one yet has discovered the vault of Alaric the Goth. In Wyoming there are three full wagon loads of gold buried mere inches deep in the national forest, and matching troves in Texas in an old mule-pen. Gasparilla's island is probably up for sale on Ebay, and Marie Antoinette's diamond necklace is in the hollow of a stump on the Canadian border. No one will stop you or your pet chicken from plundering these things.

There are also many places where valuable things occur naturally. The Paiute tribe has a diamond mine. There are many "lost" mines of gold in California, and the emerald mine discovered in North Carolina has produced many fine specimens. There are also plenty of things made by people that are valuable or extremely interesting, though they are not made from especially precious materials, more or less laying around waiting to be claimed.

Many famous diamonds have been stolen from sacred shrines of the Orient. Some have famous curses attached to them, being ripped from shrines of Krishna or Buddha and sold or split through the years. As far as I am aware, Jean Baptiste Tavernier had no occult protection spells when acquiring these treasures, and did quite well overall.

No matter what, you are not going to get the slightest glimpse of treasure (except for what is for sale or on display) unless you get out there and look for it. These things are never in places that are convenient to go. Do your research, do your divinations, and then go look for it. You're never going to know if your guardian-removal spells are worth a damn if you don't ever get around to hunting for the loot.

Imperial arts :
some of what you say is true,but actually i heard that treasure hunt procedures from a morrocan magician,i didnt think much of it,but my approach is practical,i tried the potion made with the segull's hert.i could see the hidden treasures in a burial room in the egyptian museium,the cock that lays golden egg is unbelievable,i think its fake too,the problem actually is many false stones where thrown in the vault of magick till its hard to determine the truth or lies.

I tend to believe the Jinn son in a human form,because there are many people that hold characteristics attributed to jinn,i have a question though,in western thought Jinn and Demons are two different races,while in arabic tradition they reffer to the same thing.tell me your opinion.

My dear esoterica,what you say about seagulls are absolutuly right.and maybe that answeres your question about "why a seagull?" actually I find the question tag (why) a hard question to answer in the occult world,most of the reasons are unknown to us,yet we dtill have the enquiring spirit to discover and find the truth,for truth is our aim.

Thanks for your replies brother and sister...
I hold you close in my heart..


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Good day

i have a question though,in western thought Jinn and Demons are two different races,while in arabic tradition they reffer to the same thing.tell me your opinion.

I am not well-versed in Arabic demonology.

That being said, my limited understanding of the subject (derived from Sura 72 of the Koran, and discussions with random Muslims) is that the Djinn are like people in most respects. They have families, they live in homes, they choose to be faithful or not at will, etc. It is a general term for intelligent spirits, very similar to the Latin concept of household gods.

What might be called "demons" in Western lore are in the Koran more precisely identified as those djinn who were in allegiance to Iblis, who would serve God but who would not willingly serve Adam.

am not well-versed in Arabic demonology.

That being said, my limited understanding of the subject (derived from Sura 72 of the Koran, and discussions with random Muslims) is that the Djinn are like people in most respects. They have families, they live in homes, they choose to be faithful or not at will, etc. It is a general term for intelligent spirits, very similar to the Latin concept of household gods.

What might be called "demons" in Western lore are in the Koran more precisely identified as those djinn who were in allegiance to Iblis, who would serve God but who would not willingly serve Adam.

Actually my birth religion is moslem,yet i am not a moslem but more of an Osirian,actually I have some knowledge about Arabic Jinn,Jinn is said to be like humans,they have families as you said,they have dwelling places and some of them are Evil some are Good,some they usually feed on blood ,bones and human shit,they live in unpopulated areas,that is Forrests,deserts and unpopulated houses,some hate humans and see them as inferior race,some like humans and help them.

Jinn in Islamic tradition are made from Fire,they wear clothes as humans do,some of them,the ones that dissobayed God they have disfigured animal shapes,as in the Goetia, some have the body of a toad three heads that of a ram,Toad,and human,some of them have very beautiful appearance.

Jinn in Islam were created long before humans,they reached technology and magick powers that is very advanced,my personal opinion is Jinn are created of elements,there are water demons,fire demons,air and earth.Thee demons live in a dimention paralel to ours probably the nearest to us,that explains their constant manifestations in our world.




But my question is are Jinn and Demons are the same thing or Different..?