Mystical Birthing, Bringing Magic into the most magical thing of all... Options

Okay, I'd like to hear some others weight in on this. Out of the vast majority of this population of this forum, I am among the least likely to father a child (though, it's not an impossibility, I could probably engage in the act in order to make a baby, I think). If there is anything I envy of women, it is by far the ability to grow and birth a baby. However, circumstances being what they are this is exceedingly improbable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Thus I have reservations about developing any of my own ideas about how the birthing process should occur. It will never be my decision. None the less, I've had conversations with my very best friend, who has offered me the use of her womb should the need arise (after she has spawned at least two of her own), and she has had some dubious but thoughtful reactions to my wild ideas about birthing babies magically.

Now, I don't mean some kind of Charmed BS - I mean, of course, surrounding the process with magic, from ritual surrounding the baby-making, to meditations and blessings throughout gestation, to executing some kind of magic during the birthing process itself, related to the nature and wellbeing of the child, invocations to Divinity and Destiny. A kind of Mystical Baptism as it were.

I'm curious as to the views of others here, especially mothers, but from anyone with ideas in this vein. I am also interested to know if anyone has encountered cultural artifacts of this nature - I haven't begun to really dig into the subject so I am not sure how often this sort of practice occurs in a culture, if ever. I do know that there are some really interesting ideas out there on natural child birth including things like painless birthing and orgasmic birthing. I don't know much about these methods/traditions, but something like this would seem like the ideal method to be used on conjunction.

On a separate thread, I outlined a hypothetical method for rigging a newborn's natal chart by invoking the forces of the signs, the planets, and the AC/MC currents to establish a magical version of a natal chart to be impressed upon the newborn rather than the 'natural' natal chart. Though it seems an act of hubris, the same thing can be accomplished in the creation of certain magical objects to great effect, and it was said by Bardon I believe, or maybe Agrippa, that it is the Magician who rules the stars, rather than they what rule the magician. Although my method is typically to pin down and sustain an existing influence when it occurs, the principle is not different, simply more involved.

Do you think that this approach to baby making is something to reasonably consider, especially within a practicing family (that is, mom and dad both practice)? Do you think it is a reasonable request for, for instance, a surrogate? I'm not sure what processes are involved in religious births, or if there typically are any...

whatcha think?

There is nothing wrong with it, however it does seem to be a fair amount of work. Generally the pregnancy is a busy time. I did a lot of energy work on my son while in the womb but that is a long time ago and I hadn't gotten into ritual work back then. We are trying for another--actually started last month. A lesbian friend of mine asked me to help them out. It is given me something to think about.

I think it's all dependent on how much money you spent on pre-natal health farms etc..

Pamper her rotten an i'm sure you could persuade her to let you get ur tools out an do a ritual..
Might be an idea to think up something with minimum freak yet effective delivery, maybe hire a birthing pool or something.

I think the entire practice is fraught with danger an it's exactly what creatures with magick would try an do since the dawn of their evolution.
So fertility rites and atmospheric calibration and everything 'baby' is going to be time tested easy to find knowledge, someplace.

I think i would see what normal astrology presented to me before considering re-writing it, even simple planning in this sense is considered a bit dubious.

Well i don't know what i'll decide in the future on this one personally, When im good an ready i'll know.

Okay, I'd like to hear some others weight in on this... I've had conversations with my very best friend, who has offered me the use of her womb should the need arise (after she has spawned at least two of her own), and she has had some dubious but thoughtful reactions to my wild ideas about birthing babies magically. I mean, of course, surrounding the process with magic, from ritual surrounding the baby-making, to meditations and blessings throughout gestation, to executing some kind of magic during the birthing process itself, related to the nature and wellbeing of the child, invocations to Divinity and Destiny. A kind of Mystical Baptism as it were. I am also interested to know if anyone has encountered cultural artifacts of this nature.

Indians from around the Nepal border have a number of practices in this vain. Set times to conceive which have good signs and will result in a baby at a complementary set of astrological conditions. Also stories and rumors of people trying to change the destiny of a child before it is born (normally by forcing the birth at a proper time, but also in other ways). Once the kid id born all kinds of things are possible with charms, magick jewellery, spells, energy work and the like. In Shri-Vidia there is a yantra what is carved in to stone and placed in the crib, bed, or simply in the room with the child to wash away its Karma. I am unaware though of any particular practice to change destiny before there is one. Once born you can can do what you like with relative impunity. Birth in a single moment and the rest of the life warps and skews the forces that work on us determining the expression.

On a separate thread, I outlined a hypothetical method for rigging a newborn's natal chart by invoking the forces of the signs, the planets, and the AC/MC currents to establish a magical version of a natal chart to be impressed upon the newborn rather than the 'natural' natal chart. Though it seems an act of hubris, the same thing can be accomplished in the creation of certain magical objects to great effect, and it was said by Bardon I believe, or maybe Agrippa, that it is the Magician who rules the stars, rather than they what rule the magician.

This gets at it the heart of it though. The stars (and every other bloody thing) has an effect but not one of them is the whole picture. Any undertaking like that would have to consider not just the energetic forced at play during birth (and before if you like) but also Samskaras, karma, gunas and the issue of why the kid was born into those circumstances, not to mention mundane circumstances that have a more noticeable effect. It is said that how one ends life determines how we start it, and a lot of baggage is taken along.

I consider destiny to be somewhat less iron clad than people often make it out to be. As the some total of forces working within and without which if unskillfully managed will end exactly where you would expect them too; destiny only applies to sleepy people who do not know about are do not care to manipulate the forces at play. The skillful managing is the hard part though. If one is not disposed to going though all that trouble then it won't no matter how much magick is done on their behalf. They will find themselves in the same trouble over and over.

You can make their life a little easier and produce useful talismans as the need arise but to fix a destiny in the place of one that would normally occur seems like it would be a never ending hassle. On the other hand,I like the idea of nurturing the child with energy work during pregnancy and using magick to reduce the complications therein.

Do you think that this approach to baby making is something to reasonably consider, especially within a practicing family (that is, mom and dad both practice)? Do you think it is a reasonable request for, for instance, a surrogate?

In family sure and you can always ask your surrogate. No harm in that.