Does God Exist?, Share your opinions here. Options

I believe God existed - as long man exist - Man are Godlike.
If God did not exist, then man will created God/s to worship.
Humanity NEEDS an Omnipotent, and ALL powerfull etc GOD figure to rely upon - for whatever reasons.

For human physical needs, Money, Sex, Power and Fame has become GOD.
For spiritual and fear of Death, search for enlightment, securities, etc, the higher being promoted and worshipped by man-made religions is GOD.

In the beginning of civilization, man has been suspected to create their own God/s. All ancient civilizations have their own Gods with different names until the Christians converted and introduces One God system to unite and help prevent war among nations. One BIG political step toward unification of mankind.

God = Mother Nature = Cosmic Energies = Higher Intelligence = KIA = The Universe, whatever...

How do you see God?

For me, God is Energy; it doesn't necesarily have a name, it just is everywhere. My big problem is with christianity, and with any religion as well. I just cannot understand how can a christian go to church and believe in all those saints and praise the Holy Trinity when in the Bible, if I remember well, it was said that 'thou shall not have any other gods before Me' (or smth like that), and Jesus seemed to have said that wherever are two people in his name, there is a church; there's no need for fancy, coloured buildings where all the christian posers feel like there are so good because they attend church every Sunday, and after that they go to see a pornographic movie... I happen to know such a religious guy, and he says that he is half christian, half pagan and half Manowar fan...whatever. Anyway, I liked smth Jean-Paul Sartre said: ' I was asking for a God- Creator and I was given a God -Master', I think he was referring especially to the Christian God.
After all, God is just what you want him to be, what helps you to go further and further. For example, my mum is baptised in the orthodox-christian religion, so she believes in the christian God, but she has no idea about what he is like, and she doesn't need to know anything about him to be happy.
There ar many ways, each one as good as the other, and each one as bad as the other. Mmmm, that's just what I like to believe.

Well, me being a non-trinitarian Christian might be able to talk on that.

The concept of the holy trinity was formed because some people had trouble getting their heads around the opening statements of the book of John, which go something like "in the beginning there was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God... and the word became flesh...". The Apostle Paul doesn't help when he shows on the scene later either (and I personally think the guy was a nutjob - he said that all rulers work for the greater good, so you should do everything they say *ahem*Hitler*cough*Antiochus IV*splutter*Nero*hack*).

To me that says "The word was given a form of flesh through which to speak itself", rather than "Jesus is God". Jesus himself never actually claimed the title of "Son of God", however, interestingly he did say that anyone who followed his teachings was a child of God's.

As to the saints, that's an idea that's been twisted by the Catholics. The bible teaches that all Christians are saints.

So for me, God is the word of creation - a being of holiness to hold in reverence, and to be a friend. Dunno about the rest of you, but I certainly get results from my God.

Does God/do Gods exist? Perhaps not as the concept taught to us by monotheistic religions, but I do think there are higher beings/Deities on the Astral and Spiritual Planes. Which by the very nature of their powers would be defined by us as Gods (be they good or evil).

I do not believe there is just one god, as so called one true God of the Moslems and Christians is that of the Jews, that of the jews was one of the many from the people from which the man Abraham came. I come from a background of many Deities, all with great powers but no more infallable than we are.

God/s existing is a belief, belief is an opinion, which to the believer is both unequivicable as it is unshakable. From my point of view I am a believer as my experiences throughout this life have brought me to the conclusion of belief in the Deities of my ilk.

In referring to one of the previous contributers to this topic I think it is wrong to blame religion for the woes of our world, it is those that missuse and abuse a religion in persuit of their own goals and aspirations that cause conflict.

Does God Exist? seems like a simple yes or no question, if man is the physical created reflection of a surpream being, given a free will, a way to dream and to create those dreams in a highly artistic mannar, yet microcosmic in nature, then yes I would believe that there is a god. I belive that we where created to mend the garden, yet also to learn to create such as he, for yes imitation is the greatest form of flatery and I believe the more we learn of his nature and the harder we try to improve our selves spiritualy the closer we come to the one Gods divine Love, reguardless of what we call him or how we see him. For he is know by many faces and in many toungs.

I have quite a hard time with the word 'god' - I was brought up in a practising Christian family and been heavily shaped by this; I would like to be able to get rid of everything I ever believed about gods or a god and then start with a tabula rasa.

If I did have a blank slate and started along a magickal path and went exploring and talking with entities, then I imagine my beliefs would be different to my ingrained ones.

Do I believe gods exist? Yes. The experiential evidence I have is not fool proof, but either points to the existence of deities or an extrodinary talent of mine to beat the odds of events happening at very precise times.

How do I see gods? I see them as real individuals inextricable from their deriving cultures. Beyond that I'm tossed about many different theories about what they could be - higher evolved life-forms, beings from the curled up 6th dimension, consciousnesses resonanting through whatever the current buzzword of the times is. However eventually I always end up taking an agnostic point of view that I can't know and remain content with the fact that they simply are.

A God can only exist in the mind of someone who is seeking an unobtainable Answer. We all Perceive God differently and Therefore God Resides in us as Mortals.

Or at least that is what I believe…..

I can't really say one way or another that God does or does not exist. To try to stab at it, to me God is the ineffable ______ out of which creation arises. Applying any idea to it is inherantly limiting something that cannot be limited (though this is in itself limiting, and thus not accurate).

Who is this God? May just one be alone in silence one can only contemplate better what the supreme being no-one has really seen, but yet, lays within? Perhaps it is destiny itself awaiting to unfold. It might be all around us. Having a body form isn't nessessary throught since really there has to be something to create a body there any image or name may be a distraction from the real thing. to search without searching. To seek without seeking. Unknown throught. Any thought from the real thing may be a distraction.

If there is no god, then who comes after the Archangels etc etc. there must be a top point somewhere, if it is not God, which entity is it?

I have had a hint recently that God, the jealous one, might really be the first Man on Earth. And by the likes, loves to dictate.

1st 'proper' post...

I'm with Geegee on this one (is that Venus666 lol?!) in that energy is probably really what we label as God although I must say that if I were to try to comprehend a 'godform' in the biblical sense, then I'd probably put myself forward as that god - I am the architect of my own reality...

Well for me, God is just THERE and EVERYWHERE. I'm not religious in anyway but that is how I've come to see and accept it for now. Who knows but I would love to get to know more of it and learn from it! The knowledge that it posseses seems truly tempting for me to know but at the same time not to know. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) I don't know I'm just rabbling on now!

I heard this the other night while I was watching a show on the History Channel about the Virgin Mary and her various appearances around the world.

Those who don't believe, no explanation is possible. For those who do believe, no explanation is necessary.

To answer the question though... Yes I do believe in God. I also believe that the 1st commandment is God talking directly to us / through us.

Thou shalt have no gods before me.

Anyone reading this is in the 1st person and should hold themselves in this regard (IMO). God is Everywhere. In Everything. There is no escape. To not believe only makes God that much more present, so why not join the club and bask in The Warmth that is God's Love.


All this comes from a Catholic, but I consider myself more spiritual than religious. Sure I go to church and play the part that makes people all warm and fuzzy. But my time will come when I shall choose a side, and Love is the only side I (need to) know.


-aaron

Do I believe that there exists one omnipresent presence that is infinite in power and being? Yes. Do I believe in a personified being that is a mother or a father to us? No. Of course, as a ChM practitioner, I pick that idea up when I have to...but I don't actually buy it. I have read to many Greek Myths to believe in the stories of the Bible or any other Abrahamic text (because they are very much like more boring versions of myths, or they look very mythical from my experience). In my opinion, the "force" would be more like the Tao than it would be a man 'upstairs'.

Coming from a Catholic background, I can really only say the first statement of belief in the Nicene Creed:

We believe in one God...

I think humanity has quite the knack for being aware that there is a greater scheme of things going on the background, whether they know is or act like it or not. Pretty much since Day 1, so to speak, we've had our gods.
For me God is not so much an anthropromorphic or polymorphic "being" in the sense that traditional understanding goes, but rather something much beyond essence or human understanding can currently know. Not to say that we can't sense it's ascpects, as we swim in it on a daily basis. I'd feel pretty safe assuming a panenthieistic stance on divinity... Moving through all things, creating all things, devouring all things, while simultaneously remaining separate at the same time - that IMHO is a true redemming value.
I know this doesn't sound all too Catholic - at this point I'm ready to concede with the masses that some things just can't be understood and can only be intuited (gnosis?). The trinitarian formula has so many loopholes that it even falls short on itself from a logical perspective. In the end, as monkeys of limited perception we can only be expected to do that which our wills' suggest and in doing so cause as little negative disturbance in our environments as possible.
For me it doesn't matter all too much how one percieves the Divine, as long as they

This post has been edited by Jaegerprinz: Apr 2 2005, 08:44 PM

"God is dead" - Nitzsche
"Nitzsche is dead' - God

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God is inpart energy and being... Knida like a huge thinking mass...

Remeber how the Bible first says that "in the beginning, there was nothing but God."... Well, the same can be appplied here...

In the VERY VERY VERY beginning... there was nothing... seriously, nothing... A giantitic void of nothingness... Which is actually called, The Void...

But in order for nothing to stay "Nothing..." there had to be "something" to define what and where the "nothing" was... Thus, there was God...

It's like the number 0... it has no value, but it holds a place... in order to hold it's place, "Something," has to exisit to define where the zero is...

Thus, God was Everything and the Void was nothing... from this, the universe was created...

Besides, if God is like us, haveing nothing all around you all the time isn't very comforting...

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Someone sent me an email yesterday, and at the bottom they stated...

"There is nothing greater than Man..."

I am a skeptic. I am of the opinion that magick is most likely just a way to alter our perception of the world rather than altering the world itself. I have yet to experience what one might call a conversion experience, to know that God exists. Yet the above statement seems very sad to me, for if there truly is nothing greater than Man then what do we have left to search for?

I am looking for God. Not God necessarilly as the worlds religions have depicted him/her/it. The God I seek is what I call the 'one-pointed god', the unity of everything in a single point. I do not seek this god so that I can worship, I wish to find this god so that I might experience and learn and maybe find peace.

So, Does God Exist?
Who can truly answer this, nobody. All I truly say is that I hope God exists.

I ask: what does it serve to?

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Care you elaborate on that last post Angel. Makes no sense to me. What is the point you are trying to make? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused012.gif)

The one main misconception of God is... that it's not a matter of how you or anyone percevies him... but how you can interpret his/her/it's exisitance...

No one religion is correct... yet all serve a purpose... (If my D*** site was working... I'd have you click on the links on my quote on the bottom of this post...)

God is the combination of all things in exisitance, He (She/It... whatever) was the first to exisit... and certainly will not be the last...

The omipotient power of His being is searched for by many... but it is the power of God we all so despritly need...

The incredable power of all Creation...



Uni-Force...

mediocracy, sorry to get back so late... well I was merely asking what is the point of asking everyone wether he/ she belives in God or not. It is fruitless to us to try and talk about God... when in fact we should focus our little brains on ourselves. The time for this is short as it is, so why ask about things that need not be explained in any way. That was my whole point. Personal as it can be. Whta do you think?

I personally think that to ask the BIG question is the point of life. To focus upon ourselves, to view ourselves as God, is (imho) a folly that leads to the Ego taking over. I accept that God probably does not exist, but i'll keep looking. To remain open to the possibility that we can overcome the focus of self and refocus on everything is a worthy goal.

refocus on everything is a worthy goal

You got me wrong. Ego is not what I was reffering to. Ego has no value whatsoever. But there are other things inside tot focus ourselves upon... worthy things because they're like things form the exterior... they are what attract you to that exterior in the first place. Well, that's it.

I believe in the kabalistic tree of life. With the three veils of non-existance.
I believe their theory is correct, however i don't understand god, since my mind cannot grasp something that is no-thing, that after being nothing transforms into something unlimited, and after being unlimited becomes unlimited light.
I cannot grasp this transformation, its not logical, so it must be true.

Really, i don't care, its not that important, i want to experience it, not understand it.

The thing about God's origns goes back to what there was before God even existed... There was abosolutly nothing.... a realm called the Void... In this nothing... there was nothing... nothing, noting...

However, in other for this "abosulte nothing" to exist... there must be SOMETHING, to define the nothing... thus came God...

Think of this concept as the number 0... Zero has no value, or worth... but is defined by a place... which defined other nonzero numbers...

Many religions say that God is the source of everything... Thus, everything could have come from God...

Regarding physical matter, can the condition of nothing really exist? With Nothing being the opposite of Everything.

Regarding metaphysical matter can this state also exist? So if you think there is no god there is none, but just by thingking that there is no god, there is a god.

And by merely regarding nothing, it then becomes something, and if the metaphysical nothing may be equated to the physical nothing, then there must be something! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tomato.gif)