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post Nov 22 2005, 04:44 PM
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I have reason to believe i am going trough the dark night of the soul. Wich is fine and all that, but it causes me to feel like shit for the moment.
Everything, even death, seems hollow and boring to me.
I feel this intens feeling of unhappynes, sadness, melancholy if you will.
If you want a complete description of what exactly it is, google has good results.

Could anyone provide me with some guidance, so that i may awake from this night a well rested man? Or perhaps some real life experiences, its always more interesting than regurgitated googleisms. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fie.gif)


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post Nov 24 2005, 05:28 AM
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i know what you mean bb3, one must be aware of the way the actions of relatives affect one. Sometimes it causes anger, discontent, etc. Sometimes joy, pleasure, etc.
But one should realize that all these things are empty in itself, the actions are just smal inputs, like the way a light switch enables a light bulb to glow or go out. It is not the switch that makes the light glow, it is the electricity flowing trough the wires. If one was to disconnect the switch and make a direct connection to the bulb, it would never go out. On the other hand, if one where to cut the wire, the bulb would never burn.
So it is with relatives and their effect on us, we are the wires, we are the bulb, and our senses are the switches, to wich wires and how we connect the switches is our own choice.


yes, mediocracy i completely think the same.
And these false emotions, what are they. Deconstruct anger, then what is left, in the now it does not exist, it is the effect you get when you light a stick of incense and spin it around in circles. You appear to have created a circle, but there is not circle, there is only a glowing stick. and this stick is not round.
So it is with emotions, they are illusions, the effect of memory. Our brain keeps them alive, by constantly and actively remembering the nanosecond before, to create something that we call an emotion. The experience seems very real, but is an illusion. If Thought is T, Memory is M, Time is S and Emotion is E, then the following formulas are true:
M=T+S
E=M*T
E=(T+S)*T
E=Tē+TS
So the most important factor would be T->thought, and a secondary factor is time. So anger is nothing more than thoughts combined with a small factor of time. The feeling itself is caused by other factors, such as the importance we point to that thought or thoughts. This enables the feeling to exist.
However living in the now, the act of wu wei as the taoists call it, makes it impossible to have long lasting emotions but peace and tranquility, because the mind is not storing and/or remembering these thoughts influenced by time. It is only experiencing the now. only emotions as a result of the now are possible, and something like the dark night is impossible to occur.
Dealing with emotions as we are living them in the now, is another matter alltogether.

This leads me to what mr merlin said. accepting the dark night is to me the action of stopping to cling to it. Once the mind is emptied, and the only interaction that exists is the one that deals with the now, then how can long lasting feelings of dread and lonliness like experienced in the dark night endure. These feelings are a result of a constant memory of lonliness, weakness, fears. While we may not be experiencing these actions at the moment. Right now i am typing a post, what does that have to do with the dark night, nothing. If i accept it then this posting is only tekst and my laptop, nothing more, occuring at the place i am now. Why would anyone feel unhappy because he is typing, that is just silly.

Still, this is easyer said than done.

I must thank you all again, because i feel i am getting somewhere.
I feel i must open myself up and be fearless, remove all my doubts, and respond to people with utmost interest and compassion. Then clear my mind about doubts of my apearance, my style, my knowledge, my skill. And genuinly interact with this world without expectations or remorse, or even contentment over achievements accomplished.

Forgive me for my spelling, i am certain i made many mistakes.
And thank you all for your attention, i know this was a relatively long and perhaps boring post.


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A_Smoking_Fox   Dark night of the soul   Nov 22 2005, 04:44 PM
mediocracy   Been there for a while now myself. I had some brie...   Nov 22 2005, 05:08 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   Lets hope we reach the end of the tunnel. For the ...   Nov 23 2005, 10:56 AM
Radiant Star   The ego is necessary, the idea that we should try ...   Nov 23 2005, 11:22 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   thanks for your help radiant star. However, i do ...   Nov 23 2005, 12:18 PM
Radiant Star   What a wonderful explanation. I think I have fall...   Nov 23 2005, 12:35 PM
esoterica   mars is in retrograde = introspection, self-confli...   Nov 23 2005, 12:36 PM
mediocracy   Fear is the key. Overcome fear and the ego is dest...   Nov 23 2005, 05:41 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   Hmm, fear. That is a big obstacle indeed. there a...   Nov 24 2005, 01:14 AM
Bb3   There's really no correct answer to your probl...   Nov 24 2005, 01:21 AM
mediocracy   When you are happy, be happy. When you are sad,...   Nov 24 2005, 02:27 AM
Mr_Merlin   Greetings to you all! aaaah ... 'The Long...   Nov 24 2005, 03:18 AM
mediocracy   As you have pointed out, the 'simple' part...   Nov 24 2005, 09:05 AM
Bb3   Mediocracy, it's not that you can't turn b...   Nov 24 2005, 12:55 PM
Athena   The best advice is to just wait it out. Be sur...   Nov 24 2005, 05:27 PM
Athena   I fully agree on the ego bit! Not destroy ...   Nov 24 2005, 05:30 PM
Athena   I must say, i do not think that is so. Our past ...   Nov 24 2005, 05:31 PM
Athena   That part always sucks :( I think everyone is ...   Nov 24 2005, 05:35 PM
Mr_Merlin   Greetings Fellow Magicians ... I did the search e...   Nov 25 2005, 03:12 AM
Radiant Star   Good explanations Mr Merlin :) I don't like ...   Nov 25 2005, 04:23 AM
esoterica   Actually, it should open your eyes to the fact tha...   Nov 25 2005, 08:30 AM
Marquis DeSade   I haven't read all the posts in-depth but I wi...   Nov 27 2005, 12:44 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   marquis, i will have to listen to that song then, ...   Nov 27 2005, 04:25 PM
ॐ Z ॐ   This is a depleating condition I have been afflict...   Dec 17 2005, 10:14 PM
Mr_Merlin   Well said! It is exactly that (for me anyway...   Dec 18 2005, 03:50 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   I read a text by some yogi once. It had nothing to...   Dec 18 2005, 05:23 AM
mediocracy   You cannot serve both God and Mammon. http://www....   Dec 18 2005, 12:34 PM
Mr_Merlin   :clap: Well said! Excellent! I couldn...   Dec 19 2005, 03:16 AM
Rakesh   ] Words can not describe how perfectly this rings...   Jan 6 2006, 04:56 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   I see some light, perhaps a lot. when i stop to a...   Jan 11 2006, 01:47 PM
Sadako   Interestingly enough, I went through a sort of ...   Jan 13 2006, 03:09 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   exactly. Exactly. We may have different faiths, bu...   Jan 13 2006, 04:54 AM
Rakesh   Yeah, it appears to be a built-in psychological pu...   Jan 31 2006, 05:06 PM
Psypocalypse   The dark night of the soul is a total collapse of ...   Feb 11 2006, 06:31 PM
Acid09   Force yourself to do something new. As psypocaly...   Feb 13 2006, 02:41 PM
WhiteRaven   "Not the goody-goody christian god either...   Feb 27 2006, 01:49 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   good advice Acid09. Simple yet wise advice. The be...   Feb 27 2006, 05:32 PM
Sicksicksicks   I always saw the ego as the basic survival instinc...   Mar 27 2006, 07:51 PM
Angalor   Actually I went through something very similar not...   Apr 28 2006, 10:47 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   ah, i went trough that to, but i do not think that...   Jun 14 2006, 02:58 PM
Makavelli   During a dark night of the sould it is important t...   Jul 27 2006, 03:10 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   That is the tendancy, to stimulate yourself trou...   Oct 31 2006, 11:03 AM
Suxur-Mash596   I have found the underlying reason for these Dark ...   Nov 4 2006, 11:14 PM

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