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Radiant Star
post Dec 21 2005, 06:18 AM
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Dualistic thinking is very relevant to people following spiritual paths of any kind, since it involves believers who claim to see and experience another existence and others who having not experienced anything they would describe as other-worldy, disregard these claims and it therefore divides people into two camps.

The language used is also a form of dualism as it separates entities into good and bad and places into discrete areas thus: Heaven and Hell.

Is dualistic thinking useful and a good way of hanging ideas on hooks for further exploration or does it lead to extremes of thought that lack balance and settle people into positions that are hard to find their way out of?

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post Dec 21 2005, 12:34 PM
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I strongly disagree with this point of view. Dualistic thinking is what causes boxed and limiting ways of thought. This type of thinking is what mundane people do, not people who try to walk on the path of spirituality or magick. In another topic I shared my views on this matter very briefly, but I shall try to go more indepth here.

When a soul reincarnates it will arive as a small humanoid, a baby. This being is still "pure" as in clean of limitations created by man itself. A baby only has a soul "ego" and interacts instinctively and intuitionaly with the surroundings. Baby's and young children can often see entities and energies. How often does a child talk about an imaginative being while it is more then just an imagination?

As the child grows in age it will adept to their social surroundings. They will interact with others such as their parents, friends, tutors at school, people on the streets and later on the media and such. The child will take over personalities traits and ways of thinking from others. It'll be told what is real and what is not, possible it'll be forced a religion upon it as well and be told what is generally accepted as right or wrong. The child will grow up with limitations and gets more and more out of touch with what is truly real.

It is different to know who you really are and what you think is truly your own. How often does it happen that when you spend a lot of time with someone that you will take over certain personality traits without even knowing? How often does it occur that you think that something is bad, because the majority of society tells you? These are limitations which you allowed to take control of you. A bubble in which you live and disconnects you from the universe and the energies that it is made up from.

Puberty is a stage in which a child starts to think more and more for itself and "rebels" against authorities. This is natural behaviour and not something that happened since the coming of the so called "Indigo Children". During this period the child is able to get rid of certain limitations and take more control of itself. However a lot of doctrine stays with the child throughout its entire life. People who walk on the path of enlightentment will notice this and start to get rid more and more of it all and only allow the personality traits and such with which they feel happy and comfortable. Still it is not an easy task.

The doctrine, the personality traits, the emotions, the experiences of an individual is what allows people to form an opinion. This is where dualistic thinking enters. Dualistic thinking is what allows people to make a distinction between things and catagorize it for easier understanding. Along of it the will add a subjective opinion to the matter. The minute you will give an opinion you're automatically judging it by your own standards. You can't catogorize it in your mind before you judged it.

Let's talk about something basic such as the everlasting concept of "good versus evil". This concept is a man made idea, not a universal idea. People should look at things as they are without casting a judgement about it. Why do we have to judge everything? Primarily it is to protect oneself. You see something and will judge it and call it good or bad and then catogarize it as a threat or not. However you keep judging events by the the standards of previous experiences of a similiar event. So basically because something harmed you in any way, once or twice, you accepted it to happen every time a similar event occurs? You have any idea how many wonderfull experiences you've missed because of that? Do you also understand the Law of Attraction which states that you attract the energies that you emit yourself? Basically you're affraid to be harmed, thus you will be harmed. However if you don't judge and take an experience as if it is a new one with an open mind and heart you will gain wonderfull experiences each and every day. Because you're not wasting energy on being subconciously affraid, worried, cautious you will have a lot of energy left to attract the opposite emotions into your life. This is magick as well, without having to perform a ritual. Something this basic which can be done each and every day in your daily life. You need to become aware and concious of what you're actually doing, which is also the hard part of it all. Not a change you can make over night.

Good and evil is therefore in the eye of the beholder. On an individual scale we all judge every event on a subconcious level. However every individual measures with different standards so what one individual judges as Evil/Bad for him the next person might classify as Good/helpfull. Everything is energy ranging from plants to people, from thoughts to active expressions/action and many entities/gods etc. We're all made up from energy and as we all know...energy is open to interpetation. Entities are genderless and contain no real morals. You interpetate the energy that you work with and classify it by using your emotions/intuition as how you feel about the energy that you work with. One person might experience a certain entity as an Angelic being while another person might experience the same being as Daemonic. In the end...does it matter how you classify a being and in what box you put it in? Not one bit, what matters is how that being makes you feel and what use it is to you.

The same for more real life events. Emotions rise up between two people and suddenly one of them has had enough. In his mind he will form a thought, a reason, which justifies the action which he is about to perform. He lashes out and beats the other man down. In his mind this action was "good" and justified for whatever reason. The other individual is hurt and bleeding and considers the same act as "bad" . He can't find a reason to justify that action and being the victem in this case doesn't really make him think there might be a "good" aspect to this. Any follow up events are not important such as the fight it might lead to or the possible break up of friendship. Those are not important since they are best seen as stand-alone events due to the new thoughts formed which make you decide the next course of action to take.

A more clear excample would be terrorism. The terrorists are right in their eyes, but in the eyes of people who can't understand them it is seen as acts of evil. Terrorism is an extreme form of rebellion. Rebellion takes shape when people are unhappy the way they are treated, such as being opressed for decennia.

On a more social scale there are a lot of generally "accepted" ways of judging which tells everyone what is right or wrong. Who are they to decide what is right or wrong for everyone? The law is such an excample. Just because a large amount of society decided on what is right, doesn't actually make it right. These are just restrictions forced upon one another, because society itself is irresponsible. Most people are still young in soul and thus childish. You give them a finger and they take your entire arm and always blame other people or entities. Moderation of earthly resources and being conciously aware of the effects your thoughts and actions have is something most people seem to lack. Which truly is a shame...

People are stuck in a certain way of thinking, which is distributed from generation to generation. Stagnant thinking, we are made up of 70% of water...what happens when water gets stagnant? What happens if energy gets stagnant and no longer is active/moving? It grows weaker untill it eventually dies.

There is only one correct way. Trust your own emotions and intuition. If something makes you feel uneasy or negative then don't associate yourself with the event or individual. If you feel positive about something then it is something you should do and be with. Don't follow man made laws and concepts. I don't...the world authorities can kiss my arse. I do as I please and take full responsibility of my thoughts and the actions that will follow from them. Man can not judge me, they have no right. The proper, higher, authorities will intervene when needed to.

Hmmm...it feels this is more of a rant then anything else. Not my intention. Hopfefully it still got the point across which I was trying to make.

This post has been edited by Sabazel: Dec 21 2005, 12:39 PM


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Radiant Star   Dualistic thinking   Dec 21 2005, 06:18 AM
mediocracy   And for those of us living in the real world ra...   Dec 21 2005, 03:21 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   i do not agree mediocracy. The things you refer t...   Dec 21 2005, 05:08 PM
Zahaqiel   I also disagree with Mediocracy in part. For inst...   Dec 21 2005, 09:50 PM
chaoscrowley37   We need to come to some understanding of what we v...   Dec 22 2005, 12:00 AM
Sabazel   Interesting discussion is forming here. @medicric...   Dec 22 2005, 02:03 AM
chaoscrowley37   This is where I think your reasoning becomes flaw...   Dec 22 2005, 02:17 AM
Zahaqiel   Your posts are littered with dualistic thought whi...   Dec 22 2005, 02:34 AM
chaoscrowley37   Actually, you're falling for a fallacy of equ...   Dec 22 2005, 02:42 AM
chaoscrowley37   I'll make it simple to know what we are discus...   Dec 22 2005, 03:11 AM
mediocracy   I am sure ut is fun to debate and counter-debate t...   Dec 22 2005, 03:25 AM
mediocracy   Have I Moderated your posts in any way, shape o...   Dec 22 2005, 03:36 AM
Zahaqiel   Med - he's more saying that you have an integr...   Dec 22 2005, 03:44 AM
chaoscrowley37   I'm not trying to be spiteful, I am honestly t...   Dec 22 2005, 04:12 AM
Sabazel   My apologies to Mediocracy. I was not attacking yo...   Dec 22 2005, 04:37 AM
Sabazel   The teachings are flawless in most cases. Howeve...   Dec 22 2005, 04:42 AM
Radiant Star   Thank you Sabazel, this topic has moved on apace s...   Dec 22 2005, 05:06 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   changing ones point of view is almost impossible. ...   Dec 22 2005, 05:59 AM
Sabazel   In order to change your system of judgement you mu...   Dec 22 2005, 09:32 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   this entire topic is about duality. The duality of...   Dec 23 2005, 01:20 AM
Sabazel   I'm not offended in any way. I see my own flaw...   Dec 23 2005, 02:37 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   Wonderfull, i was afraid i was being a bit to hars...   Dec 23 2005, 10:58 AM
Sabazel   In control of my ego? Well in a lot situations I a...   Dec 23 2005, 12:28 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   hehe, i agree with many points. our problem with ...   Dec 23 2005, 02:06 PM
esoterica   Dualistic thinking is indeed a flawed result of ...   Dec 24 2005, 10:05 AM
Sabazel   Fox it isn't so much the language/sound barrie...   Dec 27 2005, 05:21 AM
alia   That’s a very interesting discussion. From my poin...   Feb 11 2006, 02:34 PM
GunpowderPerfume   Based off all I've read from this thread: It...   Feb 11 2006, 06:55 PM
GunpowderPerfume   haha actually, dualistic thinking in itself is a p...   Feb 11 2006, 06:57 PM
alia   It depends on how you approaching a concept. For e...   Feb 11 2006, 08:32 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   dualistic thinking is not the same as dualism. and...   Feb 12 2006, 07:11 AM
GunpowderPerfume   ... :roflmao: For some reason A Smoking Fox, the ...   Feb 18 2006, 02:39 PM
Sabazel   You don't have to choose a side, because lif...   Feb 21 2006, 03:39 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   by all means, do choose to stop beathing. If you f...   Feb 21 2006, 05:20 AM
bym   Greetings! I hope that this discussion is actu...   Feb 21 2006, 10:05 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   Its not the result that matters, it is the path wa...   Feb 22 2006, 10:46 AM
Radiant Star   I think since I started this thread and we didn...   Feb 22 2006, 11:00 AM
Sabazel   Well I personally found what I was looking for in ...   Mar 7 2006, 06:02 AM
Praxis   Dualistic Thinking / Non-Dualistic Thinking = Dual...   Nov 19 2008, 08:20 PM
valkyrie   lol. yes. im not sure we can escape dualism. since...   Nov 22 2008, 12:50 AM
Praxis   For a while in the 80s and early 90s, many of the ...   Nov 29 2008, 08:26 PM

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