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post Dec 21 2005, 06:18 AM
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Dualistic thinking is very relevant to people following spiritual paths of any kind, since it involves believers who claim to see and experience another existence and others who having not experienced anything they would describe as other-worldy, disregard these claims and it therefore divides people into two camps.

The language used is also a form of dualism as it separates entities into good and bad and places into discrete areas thus: Heaven and Hell.

Is dualistic thinking useful and a good way of hanging ideas on hooks for further exploration or does it lead to extremes of thought that lack balance and settle people into positions that are hard to find their way out of?

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post Dec 21 2005, 05:08 PM
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i do not agree mediocracy.

The things you refer to are things that are immoral according to the way majority sees it.

Dualistic thinking does not promote balance.

Good and evil are mental constructs, they exist only within our mind. they are labels we place upon something, and it is only ourselves that place the labels.

dictionairy on evil: morally objectionable behavior
dictionairy on morality: motivation based on ideas of right and wrong

Morality is based on ideas, ideas are personal and not real.

There are still thousands of nea nazi's out there, these people believe it is morally right to kill someone from another race. they think they are doing good things.

Many people do good things other people percieve as evil, and vice versa. A parent can do something with all the good intents and still anger a child.

Moral laws are for the most part personal laws, they are shared by large groups of people, but no 2 people have the exact same set of moral laws. So even morality is no constant.

the only thing what is real, is the human law. these laws are voted on and agreed by more than one person, thats why they should form a rather good view on the morality the majority of a nations inhabitants live by.
Even they are not morraly correct for everyone. Some think drugs like weed should be illegal, others think the opposite.

My mother thinks smoking weed is evil, i do smoke weed, then i must be evil, or perhaps my mother is evil for thinking smoking weed is evil.
The truth is we are both good and evil at the same time, depending on who you ask the question. We are what they call grey.

Many peoples opinions differ, good and evil are not constants, they are dependant on the eye of the beholder, not on an objective truth.

You are just voicing your own opinion of whats good on the world on this matter.
You say : It is a shame that morality is looked down upon by the arrogant liberal/intelectual elite.

However, that does not mean that what you say is good, that it is true. It is your perception, your morality. And by giving it you are proving exactly that there is no such thing as good and evil, becouse my defenition of whats good is at least different from yours on that one point.

If you start to believe in a set defenition of good and evil, your ways will grow hard and rigid, unable to change your perception you will be forced to behold the world with those set views. if good ond evil are fixed rules, then these rules cannot change.

Hitler was not flexible, thought that good was a fixed thing. And according to him killing jews was part of that. You say he was evil. I say he did not conform to our moral standards, that his view of what was good was different from ours. He thought he was doing good for the entire world, that he was a saint to do so.

How can you be certain that in your big bag of morality, some rules are not flawed, perhaps some of them do not conform to the majoritys rules?

two things are important.
1. have a healty set of moral laws.
2. be aware that they may be wrong, but use them anyway.

In the end only karma decides whats good and evil, it has the last word, you can say what you want, karma does not care about moral laws.

Is it 'good' to kill cows for meat?
why not eat dogs or cats, or dolphins, becouse they look prettier perhaps?
should we use fossil fuels at all, is everyone driving such a vehicle evil? perhaps we should not heal when we get ill, isn't it morraly incorect towards the virus to kill it of, does it not want to live?
should my computer even be on, am i not using a polluting power source?
aren't computer screens evil, they are bad for my eyes?
is candy evil, it is bad for your health?
is water evil, it can drown you?
is a dog that bites you evil?
is a mosquito evil?
is a crocodile evil?


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Radiant Star   Dualistic thinking   Dec 21 2005, 06:18 AM
Sabazel   I strongly disagree with this point of view. Duali...   Dec 21 2005, 12:34 PM
mediocracy   And for those of us living in the real world ra...   Dec 21 2005, 03:21 PM
Zahaqiel   I also disagree with Mediocracy in part. For inst...   Dec 21 2005, 09:50 PM
chaoscrowley37   We need to come to some understanding of what we v...   Dec 22 2005, 12:00 AM
Sabazel   Interesting discussion is forming here. @medicric...   Dec 22 2005, 02:03 AM
chaoscrowley37   This is where I think your reasoning becomes flaw...   Dec 22 2005, 02:17 AM
Zahaqiel   Your posts are littered with dualistic thought whi...   Dec 22 2005, 02:34 AM
chaoscrowley37   Actually, you're falling for a fallacy of equ...   Dec 22 2005, 02:42 AM
chaoscrowley37   I'll make it simple to know what we are discus...   Dec 22 2005, 03:11 AM
mediocracy   I am sure ut is fun to debate and counter-debate t...   Dec 22 2005, 03:25 AM
mediocracy   Have I Moderated your posts in any way, shape o...   Dec 22 2005, 03:36 AM
Zahaqiel   Med - he's more saying that you have an integr...   Dec 22 2005, 03:44 AM
chaoscrowley37   I'm not trying to be spiteful, I am honestly t...   Dec 22 2005, 04:12 AM
Sabazel   My apologies to Mediocracy. I was not attacking yo...   Dec 22 2005, 04:37 AM
Sabazel   The teachings are flawless in most cases. Howeve...   Dec 22 2005, 04:42 AM
Radiant Star   Thank you Sabazel, this topic has moved on apace s...   Dec 22 2005, 05:06 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   changing ones point of view is almost impossible. ...   Dec 22 2005, 05:59 AM
Sabazel   In order to change your system of judgement you mu...   Dec 22 2005, 09:32 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   this entire topic is about duality. The duality of...   Dec 23 2005, 01:20 AM
Sabazel   I'm not offended in any way. I see my own flaw...   Dec 23 2005, 02:37 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   Wonderfull, i was afraid i was being a bit to hars...   Dec 23 2005, 10:58 AM
Sabazel   In control of my ego? Well in a lot situations I a...   Dec 23 2005, 12:28 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   hehe, i agree with many points. our problem with ...   Dec 23 2005, 02:06 PM
esoterica   Dualistic thinking is indeed a flawed result of ...   Dec 24 2005, 10:05 AM
Sabazel   Fox it isn't so much the language/sound barrie...   Dec 27 2005, 05:21 AM
alia   That’s a very interesting discussion. From my poin...   Feb 11 2006, 02:34 PM
GunpowderPerfume   Based off all I've read from this thread: It...   Feb 11 2006, 06:55 PM
GunpowderPerfume   haha actually, dualistic thinking in itself is a p...   Feb 11 2006, 06:57 PM
alia   It depends on how you approaching a concept. For e...   Feb 11 2006, 08:32 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   dualistic thinking is not the same as dualism. and...   Feb 12 2006, 07:11 AM
GunpowderPerfume   ... :roflmao: For some reason A Smoking Fox, the ...   Feb 18 2006, 02:39 PM
Sabazel   You don't have to choose a side, because lif...   Feb 21 2006, 03:39 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   by all means, do choose to stop beathing. If you f...   Feb 21 2006, 05:20 AM
bym   Greetings! I hope that this discussion is actu...   Feb 21 2006, 10:05 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   Its not the result that matters, it is the path wa...   Feb 22 2006, 10:46 AM
Radiant Star   I think since I started this thread and we didn...   Feb 22 2006, 11:00 AM
Sabazel   Well I personally found what I was looking for in ...   Mar 7 2006, 06:02 AM
Praxis   Dualistic Thinking / Non-Dualistic Thinking = Dual...   Nov 19 2008, 08:20 PM
valkyrie   lol. yes. im not sure we can escape dualism. since...   Nov 22 2008, 12:50 AM
Praxis   For a while in the 80s and early 90s, many of the ...   Nov 29 2008, 08:26 PM

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