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post Dec 21 2005, 06:18 AM
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Dualistic thinking is very relevant to people following spiritual paths of any kind, since it involves believers who claim to see and experience another existence and others who having not experienced anything they would describe as other-worldy, disregard these claims and it therefore divides people into two camps.

The language used is also a form of dualism as it separates entities into good and bad and places into discrete areas thus: Heaven and Hell.

Is dualistic thinking useful and a good way of hanging ideas on hooks for further exploration or does it lead to extremes of thought that lack balance and settle people into positions that are hard to find their way out of?

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post Dec 22 2005, 02:03 AM
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Interesting discussion is forming here.

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For a moderator, of a website, with the kind of information promoted on the main pages I find you rather closed. I find your attitude "negative". This is an opinion of mine, I'm sure your friends will find you a nice person. Dualistic thinking in the way that I describe is VERY much used in daily life.

Saying it is fake textbook philosophy and doesn't excist to people who live in the "real world" is an attitude which is associated with the "liberal/elite". Do you even notice the things that you are saying? That you are actually judging people by your standard? Calling me, and everyone who thinks similar, arrogant/elite. It's like blaming the kettle black (if I remembered the correct english phrase).

You make it sound as if I look down on mundane people. Sorry, but I do not. Everone is in a daily learning proces and some are further, faster students then others. Does this also make people better then others? I don't think so.

People didn't fight against good or evil, people rebelled against ideas and concepts which they disagreed with. They disagreed and wanted a change. If there are enough people who want the same change and work together you will see that a lot can be achieved. Look at the flower power hippies who rebelled against governments. Personally I'm not so sure this was a good thing, seeing that most people were/aren't ready to cope with the responsibilities that all that freedom brought. A slower introduction would've been better in my eyes. An opinion by my own standards.

Who are you to judge that fascism is a bad thing? It doesn't agree with your view, but in certain countries it is needed to cause change. People decide for themselves and find this change good and see fascism as THE way to do so. It's a tendence which happens often, in some countries more extreme then others. Fascism isn't my way to go either, but it is just the way it is. It is not good or bad...it just is. It doesn't have to do with dualistic thinking being plausible in "the real world" it just is without your objective view added to it in order to judge. Fascism might not be the real solution on short term, but it will cause people to see things different in a new light. You can read all you want, but you can't truly understand unless you lived it.

I remember the bible stating: "Don't judge unless you want to be judged yourself"

People often come with nazi's, Hitler and World War 2. The people that do so are usually children that know very little about the many aspects and the deeper layers of understanding the situations. Making comparisons with regular topics and make an automatic connection towards Hitler just shows how little people truly know about a certain object. Does this make a person evil or bad? Do I feel better for understanding more then most people do? No, it just is the way it is. It's not good nor bad, it just is.

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Radiant Star   Dualistic thinking   Dec 21 2005, 06:18 AM
Sabazel   I strongly disagree with this point of view. Duali...   Dec 21 2005, 12:34 PM
mediocracy   And for those of us living in the real world ra...   Dec 21 2005, 03:21 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   i do not agree mediocracy. The things you refer t...   Dec 21 2005, 05:08 PM
Zahaqiel   I also disagree with Mediocracy in part. For inst...   Dec 21 2005, 09:50 PM
chaoscrowley37   We need to come to some understanding of what we v...   Dec 22 2005, 12:00 AM
chaoscrowley37   This is where I think your reasoning becomes flaw...   Dec 22 2005, 02:17 AM
Zahaqiel   Your posts are littered with dualistic thought whi...   Dec 22 2005, 02:34 AM
chaoscrowley37   Actually, you're falling for a fallacy of equ...   Dec 22 2005, 02:42 AM
chaoscrowley37   I'll make it simple to know what we are discus...   Dec 22 2005, 03:11 AM
mediocracy   I am sure ut is fun to debate and counter-debate t...   Dec 22 2005, 03:25 AM
mediocracy   Have I Moderated your posts in any way, shape o...   Dec 22 2005, 03:36 AM
Zahaqiel   Med - he's more saying that you have an integr...   Dec 22 2005, 03:44 AM
chaoscrowley37   I'm not trying to be spiteful, I am honestly t...   Dec 22 2005, 04:12 AM
Sabazel   My apologies to Mediocracy. I was not attacking yo...   Dec 22 2005, 04:37 AM
Sabazel   The teachings are flawless in most cases. Howeve...   Dec 22 2005, 04:42 AM
Radiant Star   Thank you Sabazel, this topic has moved on apace s...   Dec 22 2005, 05:06 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   changing ones point of view is almost impossible. ...   Dec 22 2005, 05:59 AM
Sabazel   In order to change your system of judgement you mu...   Dec 22 2005, 09:32 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   this entire topic is about duality. The duality of...   Dec 23 2005, 01:20 AM
Sabazel   I'm not offended in any way. I see my own flaw...   Dec 23 2005, 02:37 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   Wonderfull, i was afraid i was being a bit to hars...   Dec 23 2005, 10:58 AM
Sabazel   In control of my ego? Well in a lot situations I a...   Dec 23 2005, 12:28 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   hehe, i agree with many points. our problem with ...   Dec 23 2005, 02:06 PM
esoterica   Dualistic thinking is indeed a flawed result of ...   Dec 24 2005, 10:05 AM
Sabazel   Fox it isn't so much the language/sound barrie...   Dec 27 2005, 05:21 AM
alia   That’s a very interesting discussion. From my poin...   Feb 11 2006, 02:34 PM
GunpowderPerfume   Based off all I've read from this thread: It...   Feb 11 2006, 06:55 PM
GunpowderPerfume   haha actually, dualistic thinking in itself is a p...   Feb 11 2006, 06:57 PM
alia   It depends on how you approaching a concept. For e...   Feb 11 2006, 08:32 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   dualistic thinking is not the same as dualism. and...   Feb 12 2006, 07:11 AM
GunpowderPerfume   ... :roflmao: For some reason A Smoking Fox, the ...   Feb 18 2006, 02:39 PM
Sabazel   You don't have to choose a side, because lif...   Feb 21 2006, 03:39 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   by all means, do choose to stop beathing. If you f...   Feb 21 2006, 05:20 AM
bym   Greetings! I hope that this discussion is actu...   Feb 21 2006, 10:05 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   Its not the result that matters, it is the path wa...   Feb 22 2006, 10:46 AM
Radiant Star   I think since I started this thread and we didn...   Feb 22 2006, 11:00 AM
Sabazel   Well I personally found what I was looking for in ...   Mar 7 2006, 06:02 AM
Praxis   Dualistic Thinking / Non-Dualistic Thinking = Dual...   Nov 19 2008, 08:20 PM
valkyrie   lol. yes. im not sure we can escape dualism. since...   Nov 22 2008, 12:50 AM
Praxis   For a while in the 80s and early 90s, many of the ...   Nov 29 2008, 08:26 PM

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