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post Dec 21 2005, 06:18 AM
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Dualistic thinking is very relevant to people following spiritual paths of any kind, since it involves believers who claim to see and experience another existence and others who having not experienced anything they would describe as other-worldy, disregard these claims and it therefore divides people into two camps.

The language used is also a form of dualism as it separates entities into good and bad and places into discrete areas thus: Heaven and Hell.

Is dualistic thinking useful and a good way of hanging ideas on hooks for further exploration or does it lead to extremes of thought that lack balance and settle people into positions that are hard to find their way out of?

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post Dec 23 2005, 10:58 AM
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Wonderfull, i was afraid i was being a bit to harsh.

My point is that it is impossible to overcome dualistic thinking.
One can be aware that dualistic thinking is personal, and the rules differ from person to person. But unless you are a god you cannot embrace both dualities. becouse that would mean enlightenment. Perhaps an enlghtened one is free from dualities. Then we must try it too.

One, should be aware that dualism in itself is an illusion. the mind does not define good and evil itself, the mind draws a line wich divides good and evil. And trough this line we may experience good and evil. This line exists truly, but only in the mind.

as mortals we are unable to view our experiences any other way, than measured from this line.

That is were wu wei, living in the moment, comes to play.
If you live in the moment, then you mostly do not do dualistic thinking. becouse you do not think about past and future. Essentially you do each action as it comes by. you could say that you make choises based on logic, and therefor there is only one possible result for each action to take.

However, this is not completely possible. Logic, i believe, is not always correct, the logical mind is part of the mortal body, i believe.

So, you will have some dualisms. In your life you must make choices:
keep the job, ditch the job.
eat a hamburger, not eat a hamburger.
study, do not study..

All these things are choices, and choices cannot be anything else than dualistic. a choice is by nature at least dualistic.

however, they are clearly of personal choice. not universal.

So while it is true, that dualism is fake, in true reality it does not exist, in our own mind, our microcosm it cannot be escaped completely.

what is the point then? If you are aware of this, then trough logic and reasoning you may push the boundaries of dualistic thinking.

Remember, dualism is a line, a divider. If you are aware of the nature of this line can constantly shape and push the divider according to your will, then it seems as if you have no dualistic mind. You will have a dualistic mind none the less, but it changes constantly.

that is why this is not mental mastrubation. these conversations give one a firmer grasp and understanding of this line. So you may aquire complete control over it.

Also, you pleasantly surprise me. Most people on forums cling to a point once they made it, not necesarily becouse it is true, but becouse their ego sees it as losing if they admit their error. Thats why they madly defend their posts and opinion, it becomes a battle of winning and losing arguments instead of a quest for knowledge.

You did not do that, and i must say i think that is a great form of wisdom you have. You are already in control of the ego. We must pursue knowledge in the end, not ego. Wonderful!!


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Radiant Star   Dualistic thinking   Dec 21 2005, 06:18 AM
Sabazel   I strongly disagree with this point of view. Duali...   Dec 21 2005, 12:34 PM
mediocracy   And for those of us living in the real world ra...   Dec 21 2005, 03:21 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   i do not agree mediocracy. The things you refer t...   Dec 21 2005, 05:08 PM
Zahaqiel   I also disagree with Mediocracy in part. For inst...   Dec 21 2005, 09:50 PM
chaoscrowley37   We need to come to some understanding of what we v...   Dec 22 2005, 12:00 AM
Sabazel   Interesting discussion is forming here. @medicric...   Dec 22 2005, 02:03 AM
chaoscrowley37   This is where I think your reasoning becomes flaw...   Dec 22 2005, 02:17 AM
Zahaqiel   Your posts are littered with dualistic thought whi...   Dec 22 2005, 02:34 AM
chaoscrowley37   Actually, you're falling for a fallacy of equ...   Dec 22 2005, 02:42 AM
chaoscrowley37   I'll make it simple to know what we are discus...   Dec 22 2005, 03:11 AM
mediocracy   I am sure ut is fun to debate and counter-debate t...   Dec 22 2005, 03:25 AM
mediocracy   Have I Moderated your posts in any way, shape o...   Dec 22 2005, 03:36 AM
Zahaqiel   Med - he's more saying that you have an integr...   Dec 22 2005, 03:44 AM
chaoscrowley37   I'm not trying to be spiteful, I am honestly t...   Dec 22 2005, 04:12 AM
Sabazel   My apologies to Mediocracy. I was not attacking yo...   Dec 22 2005, 04:37 AM
Sabazel   The teachings are flawless in most cases. Howeve...   Dec 22 2005, 04:42 AM
Radiant Star   Thank you Sabazel, this topic has moved on apace s...   Dec 22 2005, 05:06 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   changing ones point of view is almost impossible. ...   Dec 22 2005, 05:59 AM
Sabazel   In order to change your system of judgement you mu...   Dec 22 2005, 09:32 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   this entire topic is about duality. The duality of...   Dec 23 2005, 01:20 AM
Sabazel   I'm not offended in any way. I see my own flaw...   Dec 23 2005, 02:37 AM
Sabazel   In control of my ego? Well in a lot situations I a...   Dec 23 2005, 12:28 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   hehe, i agree with many points. our problem with ...   Dec 23 2005, 02:06 PM
esoterica   Dualistic thinking is indeed a flawed result of ...   Dec 24 2005, 10:05 AM
Sabazel   Fox it isn't so much the language/sound barrie...   Dec 27 2005, 05:21 AM
alia   That’s a very interesting discussion. From my poin...   Feb 11 2006, 02:34 PM
GunpowderPerfume   Based off all I've read from this thread: It...   Feb 11 2006, 06:55 PM
GunpowderPerfume   haha actually, dualistic thinking in itself is a p...   Feb 11 2006, 06:57 PM
alia   It depends on how you approaching a concept. For e...   Feb 11 2006, 08:32 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   dualistic thinking is not the same as dualism. and...   Feb 12 2006, 07:11 AM
GunpowderPerfume   ... :roflmao: For some reason A Smoking Fox, the ...   Feb 18 2006, 02:39 PM
Sabazel   You don't have to choose a side, because lif...   Feb 21 2006, 03:39 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   by all means, do choose to stop beathing. If you f...   Feb 21 2006, 05:20 AM
bym   Greetings! I hope that this discussion is actu...   Feb 21 2006, 10:05 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   Its not the result that matters, it is the path wa...   Feb 22 2006, 10:46 AM
Radiant Star   I think since I started this thread and we didn...   Feb 22 2006, 11:00 AM
Sabazel   Well I personally found what I was looking for in ...   Mar 7 2006, 06:02 AM
Praxis   Dualistic Thinking / Non-Dualistic Thinking = Dual...   Nov 19 2008, 08:20 PM
valkyrie   lol. yes. im not sure we can escape dualism. since...   Nov 22 2008, 12:50 AM
Praxis   For a while in the 80s and early 90s, many of the ...   Nov 29 2008, 08:26 PM

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