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Radiant Star
post Dec 21 2005, 06:18 AM
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Dualistic thinking is very relevant to people following spiritual paths of any kind, since it involves believers who claim to see and experience another existence and others who having not experienced anything they would describe as other-worldy, disregard these claims and it therefore divides people into two camps.

The language used is also a form of dualism as it separates entities into good and bad and places into discrete areas thus: Heaven and Hell.

Is dualistic thinking useful and a good way of hanging ideas on hooks for further exploration or does it lead to extremes of thought that lack balance and settle people into positions that are hard to find their way out of?

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post Dec 23 2005, 02:06 PM
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hehe, i agree with many points.

our problem with this discussion lies within the language we use. If we want to explain something like non dualistic thinking we can only revolve around the point. the point itself, non dualistic thinking, is not something the english language is capable to deal with. It is beyond human logic and requires a high level of enlightenment to understand.

I know what you are getting at, i can almost taste it. But we cannot explain. our language is too limited.

non dualistic thinking requires detachement, viewing both choices as the same value. when you can understand the following, then you understand non-dualistic thinking.

death = live
murder = giving birth
holocoast = population explosion
eating = shitting
eating = carb training
hot = cold
water = earth
air = fire
energy = no-energy
...

When you are able to understand that all dualities are the same...
There is only tao. and it flows.

Be aware that the above is reality, but not human opinion and morality. Human morality is important. Everybody desires to be happy, and to make someone happy you have to follow his personal state of mind.

It can be seen as this. if an enlightened one sees the truth, that does not mean he has to completely agree and surrender to it. We still have free will, so we can choose to make people happy playing upon there dualistic rules. That does not mean we have to agree to there rules.

Classic example is the girlfriend. Men often do something they themselves find completely stupid, just in order to make a girl happy. They do not believe the same dualisms as the girl, but they know what the girl believes and act accordingly.

So, one could say an enlightened one has one moral law: "making other people happy, just becouse (s)he loves everybody."

the precise details of this state of life, that seems to exist entirely of a state of love, cannot be described by human language.


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Radiant Star   Dualistic thinking   Dec 21 2005, 06:18 AM
Sabazel   I strongly disagree with this point of view. Duali...   Dec 21 2005, 12:34 PM
mediocracy   And for those of us living in the real world ra...   Dec 21 2005, 03:21 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   i do not agree mediocracy. The things you refer t...   Dec 21 2005, 05:08 PM
Zahaqiel   I also disagree with Mediocracy in part. For inst...   Dec 21 2005, 09:50 PM
chaoscrowley37   We need to come to some understanding of what we v...   Dec 22 2005, 12:00 AM
Sabazel   Interesting discussion is forming here. @medicric...   Dec 22 2005, 02:03 AM
chaoscrowley37   This is where I think your reasoning becomes flaw...   Dec 22 2005, 02:17 AM
Zahaqiel   Your posts are littered with dualistic thought whi...   Dec 22 2005, 02:34 AM
chaoscrowley37   Actually, you're falling for a fallacy of equ...   Dec 22 2005, 02:42 AM
chaoscrowley37   I'll make it simple to know what we are discus...   Dec 22 2005, 03:11 AM
mediocracy   I am sure ut is fun to debate and counter-debate t...   Dec 22 2005, 03:25 AM
mediocracy   Have I Moderated your posts in any way, shape o...   Dec 22 2005, 03:36 AM
Zahaqiel   Med - he's more saying that you have an integr...   Dec 22 2005, 03:44 AM
chaoscrowley37   I'm not trying to be spiteful, I am honestly t...   Dec 22 2005, 04:12 AM
Sabazel   My apologies to Mediocracy. I was not attacking yo...   Dec 22 2005, 04:37 AM
Sabazel   The teachings are flawless in most cases. Howeve...   Dec 22 2005, 04:42 AM
Radiant Star   Thank you Sabazel, this topic has moved on apace s...   Dec 22 2005, 05:06 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   changing ones point of view is almost impossible. ...   Dec 22 2005, 05:59 AM
Sabazel   In order to change your system of judgement you mu...   Dec 22 2005, 09:32 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   this entire topic is about duality. The duality of...   Dec 23 2005, 01:20 AM
Sabazel   I'm not offended in any way. I see my own flaw...   Dec 23 2005, 02:37 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   Wonderfull, i was afraid i was being a bit to hars...   Dec 23 2005, 10:58 AM
Sabazel   In control of my ego? Well in a lot situations I a...   Dec 23 2005, 12:28 PM
esoterica   Dualistic thinking is indeed a flawed result of ...   Dec 24 2005, 10:05 AM
Sabazel   Fox it isn't so much the language/sound barrie...   Dec 27 2005, 05:21 AM
alia   That’s a very interesting discussion. From my poin...   Feb 11 2006, 02:34 PM
GunpowderPerfume   Based off all I've read from this thread: It...   Feb 11 2006, 06:55 PM
GunpowderPerfume   haha actually, dualistic thinking in itself is a p...   Feb 11 2006, 06:57 PM
alia   It depends on how you approaching a concept. For e...   Feb 11 2006, 08:32 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   dualistic thinking is not the same as dualism. and...   Feb 12 2006, 07:11 AM
GunpowderPerfume   ... :roflmao: For some reason A Smoking Fox, the ...   Feb 18 2006, 02:39 PM
Sabazel   You don't have to choose a side, because lif...   Feb 21 2006, 03:39 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   by all means, do choose to stop beathing. If you f...   Feb 21 2006, 05:20 AM
bym   Greetings! I hope that this discussion is actu...   Feb 21 2006, 10:05 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   Its not the result that matters, it is the path wa...   Feb 22 2006, 10:46 AM
Radiant Star   I think since I started this thread and we didn...   Feb 22 2006, 11:00 AM
Sabazel   Well I personally found what I was looking for in ...   Mar 7 2006, 06:02 AM
Praxis   Dualistic Thinking / Non-Dualistic Thinking = Dual...   Nov 19 2008, 08:20 PM
valkyrie   lol. yes. im not sure we can escape dualism. since...   Nov 22 2008, 12:50 AM
Praxis   For a while in the 80s and early 90s, many of the ...   Nov 29 2008, 08:26 PM

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