Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

 wand or staff, ?
Sage of the ages
post Nov 18 2004, 04:55 PM
Post #1


Neophyte
Group Icon
Posts: 34
Age: N/A
From: moscow/boise, idaho
Reputation: none




do they use the same way or is one better than the other? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


--------------------
i am forever and my body is nothing but thought.

User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post


 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Replies
Rakesh
post Feb 1 2006, 06:06 AM
Post #2


Neophyte
Group Icon
Posts: 24
Age: N/A
From: Czech republic, the birthplace of real beer
Reputation: none




QUOTE
Second I made my own Athame,(blade handle the whole works) and can call it anything I want ot call it. I dont care if you put negative spin on something that is discriptive. I call it an athame because it is used only in magick for evoking/invoking, and not for slicing vegatibles!


I think its great that you made your own rather than getting a tasteless store-bought one like most people.

You can, of course, call it whatever you like. My objection to w-ccan terminology is that it has, in many cases, been designed solely to project a halo image around a thing. Now, the feeling of other-ishness and sanctity is exactly the point of ritual instruments.
However, the ancient Celts, if we desire to base our practice on them, definitely called it something else, and I suspect the word "athame" was brought in precisely for all the wrong reasons (it is the cold blade counterpart of a person with too much black makeup).

In other words, my objection is not to the word being descriptive, but to the way it is descriptive. "Ceremonial dagger" is descriptive. Athame means "knife" in old french, and, ironically, is descriptive of a vegetable-cutting instrument.

The image you have attached is, to me as an amateur celtologist, absolutely beautiful. Theres even the strap buckle preserved.
However, it appears to be of a military rather than ritual design.
I am afraid the word "athame" was unknown to ancient Celts, and thus calling a shortsword "athame" is inaccurate at the very least.


--------------------
Life isn't fair and that's great news

User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post


Posts in this topic
Sage of the ages   wand or staff   Nov 18 2004, 04:55 PM
| Kinjo   IMO, that will dependent entirely on your preferen...   Nov 18 2004, 06:12 PM
R3QuI3M   Either 1 is fine as long as u like it. :)   Mar 4 2005, 03:36 AM
puppetmaster   Wands are better for small places and easier to st...   Mar 23 2005, 06:01 PM
Rin Daemoko   Yes, they virtually have the same use. There is a ...   Mar 25 2005, 01:08 PM
Sage of the ages   thanks Rin. the definitions helped a lot :ok: :D   Mar 29 2005, 02:40 PM
Anja   Some groups and traditios have slightly different ...   Jun 9 2005, 02:29 AM
Acid09   I prefere the staff because its multi-functional. ...   Jun 17 2005, 03:00 PM
wisdomsbane   the biggest difference between wands and staves as...   Jun 17 2005, 07:37 PM
UniOne   I like the staff better than the wand... because s...   Jun 20 2005, 10:09 AM
Rin Daemoko   I also prefer the staff to the wand. It's easi...   Jun 21 2005, 06:13 AM
fleecileez   I have a wand i bought in glastonbury but i dont k...   Jun 21 2005, 02:44 PM
Acid09   There are many techniques. But consecrating just m...   Jun 24 2005, 03:37 PM
gavriel   Dont forget Stangs. These are staves with a forked...   Sep 5 2005, 02:37 AM
Vishwas   I am a newbie, & still am trying to learn more...   Oct 31 2005, 05:15 AM
bym   Greetings! The best ones are the ones that we ...   Oct 31 2005, 10:46 AM
Leanbh   I make all my tools, my first one was a Stang, be...   Jan 31 2006, 02:20 PM
Rakesh   The stang was, I think, originally an instrument t...   Jan 31 2006, 05:58 PM
Leanbh   First I do believe stang is a word for pole. They...   Jan 31 2006, 10:47 PM
bym   Greetings! I would like this discussion to sta...   Feb 1 2006, 06:18 AM
esoterica   whether store-bought or handmade, a wand or staff ...   Feb 1 2006, 10:45 AM
Oath   Does anyone know if there is a difference and if s...   Feb 4 2006, 08:20 AM
The White Chaos   I can see myself using both, infact I'm workin...   Apr 21 2006, 03:10 AM
Forest Elf   Well, I prefer a hand-crafted wand myself. Try car...   Apr 24 2006, 04:12 PM
The White Chaos   Yes it does get the job done in a manner of speaki...   Apr 25 2006, 04:18 AM
Sojrn   I have both a wand and staff as are both used on a...   May 21 2006, 02:38 PM
Khenti_Amenti   As somone pinted out the Staff touches the ground....   Jun 5 2006, 06:21 AM
osiris1313   Well I prefer a Wand it is easier to wield. in som...   Jun 11 2006, 12:58 AM
MouseBrat2006   Well I prefer a Wand it is easier to wield. in som...   Aug 13 2006, 10:37 AM
smasher666   do they use the same way or is one better than the...   Jun 11 2006, 02:48 AM
Eroscupidonamor   Does anyone know a tradition of consacrating a sta...   Aug 16 2006, 07:45 AM
Ashnook   Elemental tools of the western tradition aside, th...   Aug 16 2006, 05:39 PM
Eroscupidonamor   Ashnook,I saw that you were using some kind of sta...   Aug 16 2006, 07:11 PM
Saul de Plume   I like the Stag idea :D!! What if I have ...   Nov 12 2006, 02:15 AM

Closed
Topic Notes
Reply to this topicStart new topic

Collapse

Similar Topics

Topic Title Replies Topic Starter Views Last Action
Sceptre/wand Midsummer Eave 1 BOMZAY 5,355 Jun 21 2013, 04:42 PM
Last post by: fatherjhon
Home Made Wand 3 impeirion 3,018 Mar 30 2011, 12:03 AM
Last post by: Adder
Atlantian Wand Instructions? 4 Paradox 1,609 Feb 23 2009, 11:06 AM
Last post by: esoterica
Outer Order Wand Of Double Power 2 Bryan 1,908 Dec 19 2008, 03:47 PM
Last post by: Bryan

18 User(s) are reading this topic (18 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 24th November 2024 - 05:36 PM