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post Dec 21 2005, 06:18 AM
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Dualistic thinking is very relevant to people following spiritual paths of any kind, since it involves believers who claim to see and experience another existence and others who having not experienced anything they would describe as other-worldy, disregard these claims and it therefore divides people into two camps.

The language used is also a form of dualism as it separates entities into good and bad and places into discrete areas thus: Heaven and Hell.

Is dualistic thinking useful and a good way of hanging ideas on hooks for further exploration or does it lead to extremes of thought that lack balance and settle people into positions that are hard to find their way out of?

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post Feb 11 2006, 02:34 PM
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That’s a very interesting discussion. From my point of view dualistic approach of a concept is a useful method to simplify complicate aspects. Assorting meanings, substances, etc in two opposite (or complement) categories make them easier to be presented, explained, comprehended, argued about, and in general been approached. As long as it is used, as such, it could be quite useful and I can’t find any reason why it shouldn’t been used. But only as long as it is perceived as a sophistical machination and doesn’t become self intended.

I would like to make a comment on the strict meaning of the term. Dualism presumes separate origin of two different and irreducible principles, if a theory, doctrine, philosophy, etc at some point unites the two elements in a common origin, it can’t be considered dualistic. Consequently Yang and Yin principles or the Christians’ approach to God-Devil concepts are not dualistic, as they do not presume separate origin of the two elements. Examples of totally dualistic religions are Zoroastrism and various Gnostic sects (Catharism, Manichaeism, etc) but even in them separate origin presumption is not very clear at some points.

I would like also to mention the following argument about the contradiction of dualism : According to dualism creation consists of pairs of opposite elements of a separate origin, Good-Evil are of opposite origin and the same applies to soul and body (or mind and matter). If soul and body are viewed from the dualistic perception (separate origin) then since neither of them is purely evil by nature, the existence of an Evil mind (principle) is impossible in a dualistic creation and consequently the Good-Evil duality does not exist. (By the way that’s not my argument and I would appreciate if someone could remind me who formulated it. I am breaking my head to remember where I have read this).

Pythagoras (all things are composed of contraries, soul-body duality) and Empedocles (the world is dominated alternately by two opposing principles) theories are dualistic. Plato’s philosophy (soul exists independently of the body, the world of Ideas as an opposite of material worlds) also contains dualistic elements. That doesn’t diminishes their value, or the ideas that we can draw from them. (Though, personally I always preferred Heraclitus and Aristotle, to them).

If, when presenting my thoughts I‘ll see that I can do it better using dualistic approach of a subject, I will do it. At the same moment I don’t think that my views are dualistic in anything (and by that I don’t mean that I have manage to reach monism, but rather that I am in a pluralistic state of mind).

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Radiant Star   Dualistic thinking   Dec 21 2005, 06:18 AM
Sabazel   I strongly disagree with this point of view. Duali...   Dec 21 2005, 12:34 PM
mediocracy   And for those of us living in the real world ra...   Dec 21 2005, 03:21 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   i do not agree mediocracy. The things you refer t...   Dec 21 2005, 05:08 PM
Zahaqiel   I also disagree with Mediocracy in part. For inst...   Dec 21 2005, 09:50 PM
chaoscrowley37   We need to come to some understanding of what we v...   Dec 22 2005, 12:00 AM
Sabazel   Interesting discussion is forming here. @medicric...   Dec 22 2005, 02:03 AM
chaoscrowley37   This is where I think your reasoning becomes flaw...   Dec 22 2005, 02:17 AM
Zahaqiel   Your posts are littered with dualistic thought whi...   Dec 22 2005, 02:34 AM
chaoscrowley37   Actually, you're falling for a fallacy of equ...   Dec 22 2005, 02:42 AM
chaoscrowley37   I'll make it simple to know what we are discus...   Dec 22 2005, 03:11 AM
mediocracy   I am sure ut is fun to debate and counter-debate t...   Dec 22 2005, 03:25 AM
mediocracy   Have I Moderated your posts in any way, shape o...   Dec 22 2005, 03:36 AM
Zahaqiel   Med - he's more saying that you have an integr...   Dec 22 2005, 03:44 AM
chaoscrowley37   I'm not trying to be spiteful, I am honestly t...   Dec 22 2005, 04:12 AM
Sabazel   My apologies to Mediocracy. I was not attacking yo...   Dec 22 2005, 04:37 AM
Sabazel   The teachings are flawless in most cases. Howeve...   Dec 22 2005, 04:42 AM
Radiant Star   Thank you Sabazel, this topic has moved on apace s...   Dec 22 2005, 05:06 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   changing ones point of view is almost impossible. ...   Dec 22 2005, 05:59 AM
Sabazel   In order to change your system of judgement you mu...   Dec 22 2005, 09:32 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   this entire topic is about duality. The duality of...   Dec 23 2005, 01:20 AM
Sabazel   I'm not offended in any way. I see my own flaw...   Dec 23 2005, 02:37 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   Wonderfull, i was afraid i was being a bit to hars...   Dec 23 2005, 10:58 AM
Sabazel   In control of my ego? Well in a lot situations I a...   Dec 23 2005, 12:28 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   hehe, i agree with many points. our problem with ...   Dec 23 2005, 02:06 PM
esoterica   Dualistic thinking is indeed a flawed result of ...   Dec 24 2005, 10:05 AM
Sabazel   Fox it isn't so much the language/sound barrie...   Dec 27 2005, 05:21 AM
GunpowderPerfume   Based off all I've read from this thread: It...   Feb 11 2006, 06:55 PM
GunpowderPerfume   haha actually, dualistic thinking in itself is a p...   Feb 11 2006, 06:57 PM
alia   It depends on how you approaching a concept. For e...   Feb 11 2006, 08:32 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   dualistic thinking is not the same as dualism. and...   Feb 12 2006, 07:11 AM
GunpowderPerfume   ... :roflmao: For some reason A Smoking Fox, the ...   Feb 18 2006, 02:39 PM
Sabazel   You don't have to choose a side, because lif...   Feb 21 2006, 03:39 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   by all means, do choose to stop beathing. If you f...   Feb 21 2006, 05:20 AM
bym   Greetings! I hope that this discussion is actu...   Feb 21 2006, 10:05 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   Its not the result that matters, it is the path wa...   Feb 22 2006, 10:46 AM
Radiant Star   I think since I started this thread and we didn...   Feb 22 2006, 11:00 AM
Sabazel   Well I personally found what I was looking for in ...   Mar 7 2006, 06:02 AM
Praxis   Dualistic Thinking / Non-Dualistic Thinking = Dual...   Nov 19 2008, 08:20 PM
valkyrie   lol. yes. im not sure we can escape dualism. since...   Nov 22 2008, 12:50 AM
Praxis   For a while in the 80s and early 90s, many of the ...   Nov 29 2008, 08:26 PM

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