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post Jan 16 2006, 12:18 AM
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Hi all... I did not know on which forum to post this topic and i hope its not a problem putting it here...
Well I've read that everyone has 2 angels with him/her... One the guardian angel who accompanies us in all incarnations etc.. and the normal angel who is with us for this particular incarnation...
Then if any person has 2 angels with him/her and above that there are archangels/Principalities/Virtues/Powers/Dominions/Thrones/Cherubim/Seraphim who are here to protect humanity, then how come sometimes there are extreme crimes being committed to innocent people... the crime i hate most is rape... Could someone elaborate on when are the angels supposed to interfere... Rape is a case where i think even satan could come to the rescue if called upon...This statement is to show how much i condemn such a crime....
Any body can enlighten me on why such crimes get committed without the interference of those who have to protect us?

Well this question may seem silly,but i need to lean a lots on the functioning of this world...


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post Jan 16 2006, 12:50 AM
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I've yet to come across much in the way of angels interfering, and I've heard a bit about "guardian angels", but it mostly seems to be from non-literary sources.

From a purely Christian point of view, a human's ability to choose right from wrong has to be sustained - with all the consequences attached - or the entire point of our existance ceases to be.

If an angel interfered, how could we truly take responsibility for our own actions?

My girlfriend has been raped several times, so I can understand why you find it abhorrent, but you also have to realise that any individual who commits that act is also slowly isolating themselves from everyone else, and thereby doing themselves just as much harm as they do others (even if they don't realise).

And you also have to keep in mind that it is our struggles that define us as individuals. To truly become the beings we should be, it's essential that we can be able to come to grips, not only with our own actions and their consequences, but the consequences of other people's actions.

To put it simply: Learning is not an easy process.

I'll take from my own personal philosophy now to explain what I mean in more complex terms. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
If an individual doesn't like me or takes an action against me, what can I truly do about it? Yes, I deal with the consequences, but the true problem either highlights my own deficiencies, or a problem inherent in that person's existance. So I'm faced with two possibilities - either a possibility for self-improvement, or something that is mostly out of my hands.
I say mostly, because one is able to highlight a deficiency in others simply by outshining the darkness they spread. If someone intentionally does you harm, and then you do them a nice thing in return, how will that make them feel? Generally, small, confused, surprised, undeserving.

So as I said - hardship is an opening that allows us to move forward.


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The value of the individual is sacrosanct, but actions must be directed in an effort to affect positive change.

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QUOTE(Zahaqiel @ Jan 16 2006, 01:50 AM) *
I've yet to come across much in the way of angels interfering, and I've heard a bit about "guardian angels", but it mostly seems to be from non-literary sources.

From a purely Christian point of view, a human's ability to choose right from wrong has to be sustained - with all the consequences attached - or the entire point of our existance ceases to be.

If an angel interfered, how could we truly take responsibility for our own actions?

My girlfriend has been raped several times, so I can understand why you find it abhorrent, but you also have to realise that any individual who commits that act is also slowly isolating themselves from everyone else, and thereby doing themselves just as much harm as they do others (even if they don't realise).

And you also have to keep in mind that it is our struggles that define us as individuals. To truly become the beings we should be, it's essential that we can be able to come to grips, not only with our own actions and their consequences, but the consequences of other people's actions.

To put it simply: Learning is not an easy process.

I'll take from my own personal philosophy now to explain what I mean in more complex terms. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
If an individual doesn't like me or takes an action against me, what can I truly do about it? Yes, I deal with the consequences, but the true problem either highlights my own deficiencies, or a problem inherent in that person's existance. So I'm faced with two possibilities - either a possibility for self-improvement, or something that is mostly out of my hands.
I say mostly, because one is able to highlight a deficiency in others simply by outshining the darkness they spread. If someone intentionally does you harm, and then you do them a nice thing in return, how will that make them feel? Generally, small, confused, surprised, undeserving.

So as I said - hardship is an opening that allows us to move forward.


ANGELS ARE the reason people suffer they are evil satan created us and he isnt evil but angels want u too think that and there is no "god" there is satan and all the demons they are alll gods go too www.joyofsatan.com

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Well according to the belief of birth and rebirth and incarnation, when someone dies, he takes birth again... well this itself shows that the journey of the souls is already programmed!!! dont you think so... coz there needs to be a great deal of synchronisation for the death and birth to take place in their corect timing.. suppose for someone to be born, there need several things that need to occur e.g sex following fertilization etc etc .. well these things should have been synchronised with the death of the person in previous birth according
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Not necessarily. There are plenty of logical explanations outside pre-programmed routes. A soul may just go to the first available body. Or alternatively, a soul may choose where it goes next (as is suggested by "Conversations with God: An Uncommon Dialogue"). Both are rational explanations within the confines of reincarnation.

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But this fact about incarnation itself seems a bit confusing in the sense that world's population grew from hundreds to billions.. so is God continuously creating souls???
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there is no 1 allmighty god there are 100ds of demons that are gods that created the earth and the most powerful one is satan and angels are against demons and satan u cant be with the 72 goetics and angels angels are evil

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mystick   Angels   Jan 16 2006, 12:18 AM
thief_and_a_liar   Let me try my brain on this one. What mystick is ...   Jan 17 2006, 08:20 PM
mystick   you make me remind of a book, where a monk gets ab...   Jan 18 2006, 01:26 AM
thief_and_a_liar   If you are confused with life, consider these: 1....   Jan 18 2006, 11:02 AM
Zahaqiel   Sorry Thief, but I gotta disagree with you on a po...   Jan 19 2006, 01:18 AM
mystick   Hello Zahaqiel and thief, Well i got gr8 repleid f...   Jan 19 2006, 01:32 AM
Sabazel   This is an interesting thread on which I'd lik...   Jan 19 2006, 03:12 AM
thief_and_a_liar   The more pain we can handle, the more pain we wi...   Jan 19 2006, 04:44 AM
Zahaqiel   "Conversations with God: An Uncommon Dialogue...   Jan 19 2006, 05:41 AM
mystick   this part i agree too in respect to what i have c...   Jan 19 2006, 06:27 AM
Zahaqiel   Sort of. This is the view of reincarnation if you...   Jan 19 2006, 07:11 AM
mystick   there also a point that my mind brought out follow...   Jan 19 2006, 10:59 AM
Zahaqiel   Not necessarily. There are plenty of logical expl...   Jan 19 2006, 12:12 PM
mystick   Theres something more i would like to append to th...   Jan 31 2006, 05:59 AM
mystick   Hi bloodwolf666, Well I won’t be biased by a...   Feb 25 2006, 10:43 PM
Angalor   So you're asking why if there are such benevol...   May 16 2006, 08:17 PM
smasher666   Yes there are Angels and they do protect. Bad s@#...   Jul 5 2006, 01:50 AM

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