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post Feb 22 2006, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(A_Smoking_Fox @ Feb 22 2006, 04:46 PM) *
What is dualism.


When we have established what we think dualism is, A_Smoking_Fox would like to branch off into and discuss different parts which will probably go into a new thread.

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Which part of dualism are we interested to explore in this topic.


So any offers?

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post Mar 3 2006, 08:53 AM
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praxis, work with us a little.
We have posted a defenition on dualism a few posts back. Are you suggesting that our defenition needs some more work? Then rewrite the defenition a little.
Whatever you consider duality doesn't really matter. The defenition is just a tool we need to start philosofising. Its basicly where we consider two possible states for x to be in. we have x in one state and y as another state. Now we wonder if x and y in two different states are different at all. Perhaps they arent.
Please note that we are likely to discuss the dualisms in the mind. Wich is a little different than physicial dualisms.

I hope you are willing to discuss these possibilities with us.


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post Mar 3 2006, 09:46 AM
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‘Fox, I am approaching working with you a little on this.

My approach began with explaining those four possibilities for two-fold dynamics – with the admission that other kinds of two-fold dynamics might exist of which I am not aware. Perhaps the explanation that I offered regarding dualism might elucidate the definition provided earlier. At any rate, what I offered serves as a basis for further explanations that I subsequently add - which is how my consideration of duality matters.

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Its basicly where we consider two possible states for x to be in. we have x in one state and y as another state.


If you are positing something that is in two possible states, then I would generally symbolize this state with the variable z, such that:

z can be in state x and y.

At which point, one or more of the two-fold dynamics that I explained above, for the relationship of the two possible states (x and y) of z, could come into play.

i.e. x and y could be poles of a polarity, antitheticals, and/or complements in relation to each other.

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As an example –with regard to the mind/body dualism - where mind is x and body is y:


As dichotomy: mind is not body, and body is not mind.

As polarity: mind and body are two extremities along a continuum of combinational gradations from one to the other.

As antithesis: mind is the bane of body, and body is the bane of mind, each struggling to overcome the other.

As complements: mind has functions that body does not, and body has functions that mind does not, yet when integrated together through relationship they complete each other and form one mind+body system.

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Now we wonder if x and y in two different states are different at all. Perhaps they arent.


If x and y – the two possible states of z - are not different ...

If they are the same (if x = y)...

Then I do not see how their relationship together could be classified as any kind of duality.

In that case, what seems to be happening to me is that one thing is just being referenced according to two different terms.

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But you know what – maybe I have missed the specific situation that you folks have been talking about here.

If you are talking about “dualisms in the mind” – which states exactly is the discussion supposed to be focused upon?

Are you exploring the dualistic possibilities for mind and soul, as the last couple of posts suggest?

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Radiant Star   What is Dualism - courtesy of A_Smoking_fox   Feb 22 2006, 11:03 AM
alia   Dualism is the theory that considers reality, or a...   Feb 23 2006, 07:20 PM
esoterica   Dualism is the theory that considers reality, or a...   Feb 24 2006, 08:50 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   all lovely ideas. But perhaps a bit to specific? W...   Feb 24 2006, 02:15 PM
alia   I agree about “reality” being an inappropriate ter...   Feb 25 2006, 09:27 AM
Alafair   P.S. I don’t like the “part of it” description, bu...   Feb 25 2006, 02:56 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   Nice, good thinking, but its still lacking a lit...   Feb 25 2006, 08:17 PM
esoterica   (deletable) definition of duality and mind - Leib...   Feb 26 2006, 02:46 PM
alia   I have no problem with not mentioning the whole ph...   Feb 27 2006, 03:22 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   Alia, i like your style. Very good reasoning, perh...   Feb 27 2006, 05:28 PM
alia   So, could we say that we want to explore the relat...   Mar 1 2006, 07:32 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   Yes, thats where i want to go exactly. As far as...   Mar 2 2006, 03:45 AM
Praxis   To me, dualism references four different kinds o...   Mar 2 2006, 09:00 PM
alia   Well, what we were to explore and the definition w...   Mar 3 2006, 04:10 PM
Praxis   Well, 'Fox - I just re-read the entire thread ...   Mar 3 2006, 09:18 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   now you have made your point clear i get the pictu...   Mar 3 2006, 07:22 PM
alia   I’ll answer the question about why the specific ph...   Mar 4 2006, 10:41 AM
Praxis   Alia, I have been considering this for a couple of...   Mar 5 2006, 06:30 PM
alia   If the two examined terms (x and y) can be reduced...   Mar 6 2006, 07:34 PM
Praxis   Two variables originating from the same source co...   Mar 8 2006, 07:47 PM
alia   Yes, one source can have two effects which will be...   Mar 9 2006, 05:32 PM
Praxis   Okay, alia - I am cool with just using "eleme...   Mar 23 2006, 03:46 PM
alia   Praxis, I was referring to the last definition you...   Mar 23 2006, 06:47 PM

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