How to work Enochian and a rant :) Options

This will be much shorter then it should be, but just wanted to point out a few things.
Dee and Kelly did NOT use a circle at any point during the Enochian workings. That painting of them doing the whole necromancy thing in the circle was an artists idea of what they did, not what they did as far as I know.
Dee and Kelly did NOT use a triangle.
They did NOT use the LBRP or any other banishing rituals.

What they did do a heapload of prayers to the divine, setup the crystal ball on the table, and called the spirits. They of course also had their friendly Enochian and Kabbalistic enttieis they had gotten in good with around them during these sessions to help out a bit. But that's it. They even sat down to do this! It doesn't mention what they wore for ritual garments, so it could have been regular clothing, or white robes, not sure on that one.

So how did they work Enochian, well they called the EEs. Oh what a novel concept, calling some spirits to help out in magics, never had a tradition do that before. Why it stopped being a major part of modern magic I have no idea. Sure spirits are called, but usually just to stand there in one of the quarters, or for the odd spell. Dee and Kelly (and most other magicians of old) actually got to know the spirits, become friends, get teachings etc. They didn't just open up some book, look up the table of correspondances, place a few things out, then call some names and charge something. No, they gained in depth teachings and had a working relationship with these spirits.

When a lady needed healing, what did they do? They didn't go to their handy Llewellyn book, they called up these spirits that they had gotten to know over the years and asked for methods and help to perform the operation. Well they were given a detailed and complex method of creating a healing talisman for her.

Also if you look at the Enochian MS (I seriously don't see why anyone would bother working a system of magic without reading the original documentation!), you will note that there are talismans and tables specifically for practical means. You might also note that there are seals for several spirits that help with some very practical, and in a couple of cases diabolical magics!

It does make me wonder (back to that rant) why people would say they work Enochian, without having read a SINGLE actual Enochian source? No the GD does NOT count <sigh>. Or even worse, skryed up and talked with a *single* Enochian entity? Would someone dare say they worked Voudo without ever having called Legba? I somehow doubt it! Would someone say they were a Golden Dawn magician without ever having read the cipher documents? Oh wait nm that one LOL. Would someone say they are a physical alchamist without ever having tinctured a plant? How about a necromancer without ever having talked with the dead? Well I somehow doubt it. So why do people call themselves Enochian magicians without ever having talked with an EE? And NO, calling the quarters and vibrating their names does NOT count as having called them and talked with them!

Get out your damn crystal ball and get to work! Are you a magician? Well I assume so. Magicians do magic. Sort of like a lawyer has actually read millions of previous court cases and gone to court hundreds of times, so why a magician thinks they could get away with say going online and reading a few webpages on law then going into the courtroom is beyond me! Well that is what the analogy would be when folks just read one wantered down book on a system then say they practice it. Lets see you could call me up for teaching and either have me teach (hehe this is deja vu for one of my students) and just make me stand there in the East to represent teaching. Which do you think would be more productive as far as learning goes?

So anyways, Enochian is FULL of how to do magic, it is just that it does not look like the cookbook magic we are used to. It is not setup in nice tables of correspondances (save for a few in my book) or step by step instructions (OK I even covered that on my site in many cases), or a system shallow enough that one could think they know it in 350 pages.....

Athena

Well it doesn't suprise me that Kelly and Dee used little to nothing of the tools/methods which are concidered standard means. I've been commnicating and conversing with various angelic and daemonic beings without all the rituals and tools that I started hearing about since a year or 2. I never understood the added value of magical circles and such other then the symbolism and it's effect on the psyche of the individual. The rest is just for the show.

I've learned a lot from astral projecting and never even got into magic till a year or two ago. It was quite...odd to see how people within the occult did it. A 12 horned daemon in my room or Arch angel Raphael they come by just calling their names and so do many other entities. You can have casual conversations and such, but when you call them in full name and function then you'd better have a reason prepared to call upon them. And that is what "magicians" do with their rituals and scrying or whatever...they call upon the entities while in their function. Hey I've been doing all that without "magic" nor do I study Enochian and don't plan on doing it either.

Rituals and such do aid in focusing your mind on what you desire, but I still feel it is mostly show then having any added value. And I've been dealing with many types of energies for many years and only the past 2 years I've been experimenting with the occult way with rituals and such.

This post has been edited by Sabazel: Mar 7 2006, 06:15 AM