The underworld, no not hell Options

Its more of a magical farie world. You find doors on the ground when meditating out of body and open them... yeah anyone do this?

Greetings!

I've freely wandered 'the other realms' since I was a child of 5 and after various meetings with numerous non-human entities I've come to the conclusion that much of the places & beings met are created by 'mind' and 'belief system'. Having well over three decades experience of these places and beings, I come to conclusions which are in direct contrary to what most perceive. I have been known to have wandered so deeply that four days of human time had passed since I began the meditation.

I tend to journey to places 'to meet and see' and then wait for physical confirmation to come to me. I rarely research and then journey because I find this tends to pre-empt what is met with or where you visit too.

I have come to one powerful conclusion ... it is your own mind and your own belief system which shapes what you meet or where you venture to.

I admit my own findings contradict your own viewpoint .. however I do not intend to contradict what you have written here. If what you discern works for you then it is indeed correct! Similarly what my extensive travels have revealed to me ... works perfectly for me. What I have found is that an individuals perceptions may work for them perfectly, but they won't necessarily work for another individual.

In your reality, you may believe that 'only the astral is subject to belief systems and projectionist manifestations . I believe that all other spirit realms exist as created by the Godhead . I feel that the ancient realms are constant and eternal and that newer ones are created as the spirit realm expands' ... I accept that as it being your right. I discerned similar once ... indeed until fairly recently ... but I find it difficult to perceive in this way now. I view our reality as illusory ... a dream state ... a state in which our minds bend our reality into a perception we can accept. As in any dream all is real to the individual .... this perception stretches far into the higher vibrations. I have been mediumistic for the best part of 35 years and have extensive contacts with ex-humans in what we perceive as the spirit world ... from many of these contacts I have deduced the dream state reality continues beyond what we humans can perceive.

I've had a number of contacts from 'beyond the spirit world' (the only way to describe it) ... and I can only conclude the dream state reality extends to that distance too. All seems to be illusions within illusions ... dreams within dreams. Consciousness appears to have free reign creating 'realities' 'dimensions' and if sufficient individual consciousnesses perceive the same dimension then that dimension becomes real to all who visit it. It is shaped by the thoughts of those who visit it. Creating 'archetypal dimensions' like those listed above ... is like creating dimensions to order like a cook book. They have become a reality to those who perceive it.

I am more or less self taught/other realm taught with my perceptions ... I was taken around the dimensions as a five year old by a white haired entity (the events are well documented elsewhere in threads here) ... and I perceive that when you visit a realm or dimension you accept it is real at the time you visit it ... much like our existence here.

I am strong in the belief these days ... after thirty years of theorising and researching and high magic circles and guided meditations ... that we are in a dream state for sure. We have forgotten we are dreaming, that we perceive the dream as reality. In doing this we have forgotten our true dimension. It's a little like the whirlpool or eddy in a river which forgets it is part of the river.

Of that true reality I know very little. Except that we may possibly be the same as we are here. With all experiences here genetic memories of our true dimension. I digress from the underworld, I apologise ... but it is from ventures to many levels of the underworld etc that these concepts come. Everything in existence is holographic. Therefore in all pieces of the hologram entire copies of the hologram can be found. I find my answers in my own perceived version of the underworld. However, my version may differ from yours. But because it does, that does not diminish it from being as real and correct as yours.

As far as my underworld goes ... I know it contains the holographic blue print of all things. I figure thus that human existence may be as straight forward as us being genetic codings within a genetic computer. We may have once visited this 'living library' as a way of a history lesson. Somewhere along the way, we forgot this process and became trapped within its cyberspace halls.

This may or may not make sense to you. But to me, in my reality, it makes perfect sense and explains the last thirty five years of my life perfectly. My understanding of the underworld, and experiences therein. are the same .... they are exactly suited to myself in my reality. I've never had great need for extensive research on the subject. I've merely closed my eyes in various places, brought on alpha state and then ventured to the realms of my choosing thereafter.

My viewpoint and your viewpoint are important as two opinions of two different realities .... both correct for the factors shaping the reality they correspond to!

I very rarely practice 'channelling' having the ability to venture dimensionally ... but the information I receive paints a different picture to much of the 'recognised literature' available in the new age circuit. This doesn't mean I dismiss either the published works or that of my own. I merely compare the two .... it has been my choice not to publish my own channellings. I have extensive workings which amount to tens of thousands of pages. Much amounting to personal diaries of places I have ventured too and entities I have met.

I have recently started my own 'pathworking' group after twenty years of deliberation. My 'companions' are already visiting many of the dimensionsal realms including levels of the underworld .... and are finding them as real with similar descriptions as I have perceived them.

From this and other research I can only come to the conclusion that there are infinite possibilities when it comes to realms and dimensions. It is down to an individual's belief as to how these realms appear. As for our true dimension ... our home dimension ... it is truly difficult to describe how it appears ... for as yet I have not met with an entity who has found a dimension which is not an illusion; nor have I met with a mortal individual who has met with one either. It appears to be extremely difficult to break out of the dream state illusion of the genetic computer which encompasses all levels of the 'known after life'... the true dimension appears to be a level far and above what we know as the after life.

This post has been edited by Mr_Merlin: Mar 10 2006, 03:30 AM

I also agree its all down to one's own beliefs. I personally find that simplicity helps greatly in understanding the seemingly infanite dimentions of the ethers. The brake down of the realms goes as follows:
1. The Greater Ethers
2. The Upper Ethers
3. The Middle Ethers
4. The Lower Ethers
5. The Infernal Ethers

What seems consistant to me is that each realm seems to follow its own laws governing chaos vs. order. The greater ethers have the most order and least chaos while the infernal are the oposite. What makes the greater realms seem "heavenly" is the "purity" of the physical laws governing these. While the infernal realms seem "hellish" because of the lack of "purity" in the physical laws governing these realms where "purity" in any of these realms equals the consistancy of the physical laws being true. In places that are chaotic, very little is actually consistant to my personal perception and thus, to me, not true. Because of the level of chaos in the lower ethers its easy for me to percieve these realms as hellish in nature. You can't go to these realms expecting to find "truths" only chaos, change, destruction - great for breaking down personal blockages and habbits as well as finding "infernal" entities that can preform a variety of tasks depending on the complexity of their nature. Inversly I find the upper ethers are increbibly consistant and so vivid to my personal senses (say a city wall stays a city wall and doesn't mutate into some giant wurm). Its easy to find tranquility in these realms because they are purely consistant in how they behave. Thus these realms are good for meditation, healing, learning higher philosophies and abtaining contact with entities living in these realms. I have also found, for me, that I can not sustane a "peaceful" existance on any realm in one extreme or the other. The middle realms is where I find the most freedom. Things are not so orderly that I must obey everything and be utterly humble, but things aren't so chaotic that I have to live in fear of what random event I might encounter. So it is here in the middle that I find myself constructing places on the astral that connect to my dreams and allow my consciousness access to these realms. The middle ethers act kind of like a go between zone and the portals I create in my dreams take to this place, but the portals I create in this place take me to any of the extremes of the realms of chaos or order.

Then I have a whole set of gates in my dreams that take me to my own inner realms, rather than those on the astral. So of which do act as "back doors" to astral places. I think the moral of story is that while simplicity is a desirable start as one avdances things can only get more complex. But as one's awareness and experience grows, the greater complexity they can handle. It took me years to get where I am now.

ps: All the places I have visited during a lucid dream or AP have been sacred to me.