Lbrp / Calyx Question Options

In the Kabbalistic Cross and LBRP (from the Golden Dawn rite), the words are:

Thou art the power and the kingdom and the glory forever.

In the Calyx (from the Aurum Solis rite), the words are:

Thou art the power and the kingdom and the majesty forever.

alt translation: Thou art the power and the kingdom and the glory forever unto the ages.



Okay:

In both cases: what/who exactly is being addressed?

i.e. What/who is the thou?

Conversely, why not the 'thou'? As in your hypothesis on the Avatar you have created a separate entity that is in touch with the alternate reality. 'Thou' is also a blind that has been used for millenia by the Church to denote a higher power. In the Gnostic texts, anyman may achieve this enlightened 'Christ' state. I offered my opinion. You may discard it as the ramblings of sophistry...or not. There are many ways to approach this question. If you are setting the parameters of the discussion so that the arguments proposed can only fit your scenario then it isn't a discussion but an exercise in a closed paradigm logic-loop. A favorite expression: "We are not amused..." attributed to Queen Victoria, illustrates that one is capable of refering to oneself outside the normal grammatical syntax.
In a number of occult texts it is intimated that the Mage must actually experience the godhead and thereby reenact the process of creation to enable him(her) the ability to command the spirits. This is a 'secret' that is passed on to initiates when entering the Inner Mysteries of some paths. Shamanically it makes sense. Within the 'stricture' of modern Chaos Magic, Spare does this with his formula of Atavistic Resurgence. In magical formula the Mage takes on the role of the creator by either performing the rituals 'in Gods name' or by actually becoming God! I understand your questions but I think, IMHO, that you are overcomplicating the procedure. Mayhaps we are to just disagree about this issue. I wish you luck... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Honestly, I do not know the answer to why not the "thou".

I am exploring the question "why the thou?" because, time and again, encouragement is given to delve into the meaning of what is done and said during ritual - otherwise, ritual descends to being little more than imitative mummery.

Sure, I have posted the Avatar scenario elsewhere, however, that scenario is a very hypothetical approach at the moment - and, as such, only would offer a new take on it. Putting that admittedly Chaotic experiement aside here, to return to the questions for these famous rituals:

Is the Thou the Divine Genius, the Holy Guardian Angel, etc...?
Or is it indeed meant to be a recursive, self-referential, statement ritually directed?

In the case of the latter, I still wonder here why such a stance and address is taken.

Sure, there are many ways to approach explaining this issue. My questions explore what the understanding of the term (and the reasons for adopting the point of view for making the address) based upon considering two of them. So, your answer neither seems rambling, nor sophistraic, to me.

The parameters of the convo are being set here by the answers so far given. Hopefully, more people who perform this ritual and who have gained insight from it regarding the identity of the Thou will come forward and share their understanding regarding the meaning of it. If they offer different answers than those already given, I will ask questions regarding those unique answers to explore the possibilities for understanding they provide. And thus, the parameters will expand again.

Perhaps I am overcomplicating this. Yet, in light of the injunction to explore the meanings of words and gestures, the question seems simple to me - even if the various answers might lead to more involved questions for careful consideration.