powers of subconcious, concept of god and demons Options

Hi all,
there's something quite interesting that has been in my mind since recent times,especially after having read a lot of items..
Do the Gods/Demons etc that one summons by evocation rituals/sadhanas(mantras)/prayer etc really exist or instead are they the manifestation of the power of the mind....
Like for example if you recite a mantra to call a deity,isnt it that you are telling your subconsious what you need.. the subconsious then with the help of the powers given to mankind by the "ultimate source" creates the deity and you get to master the powers that you request for???

Some points to support this:
1)Normally the deity comes in the form that you visualise and pray(created by the mind)!!!
2)there are also entities that never existed but which someone can create himself according to his mind
3)Different religions have different Gods that they pray and they have different theories on the creation of universe or planet earth itself... There cant be various ways by which the world was created but still all god in the various religions can be evoked!!!! Can it finally come to the point that it is eventually the determination and power of the human mind itself who creates all???
4)Lots is said on Gods/demons/angels/ etc who have their roles on mankind's evolution, like Gods are here to help those who are in need etc etc, but still theres lots of crimes and most unimaginable ones that get committed without any interference.... But in some cases, we can say that miracles occur and people are saved by Jesus or any other entity.... However cant it be just the all is in the power of the human mind??? if someone is being agressed, his mind can be in such a state to create a being to save him and that being will be in the form of a savior e.g Jesus/ archangel Michael.... Even in a evocation, if someone calls a spirit, the manifestation of the spirit also depends on the power of mind of the person... I think that a person with a powerful mind will be able to see the spirit and a less powerful one will be only able to feel the presence or hear it...


Well, all this is a derivation of my mind and need not be true... But still if anyone finds this thread interesting, please do reply to it with your views and what you believe to be true...

as a frnd here recently told:
I am God and God is me; I am Satan and Satan is me...

Has anyone here heard of the observer-created universe?
My understanding of this so far, is that we each created the universe, and everything in it, but are unaware of the vastness and omniscience of our own being.
This idea, to me at least, explains the general concept of 'All is one', found in many of the spiritual scriptures, and also gives each of us automatic equal status in the general scheme of things.
I did experience this state of consciousness in most of my past altered states, and now it has become a part of my general way of seeing the universe.
At present, I can see no reason to change my views on this, but it is a belief and can be changed at any time.
I would strongly recommend people read 'The book of pleasure' by Austin Osman Spare for a more comprehensive explanation of this idea.
Even if it isn't the correct view, it does offer an interesting and plausible alternative to other ideas.
Taken to it's logical conclusion, it can imply some very disturbing ideas about the true nature of the Self.
Freaked me out no end, but now I've eventually got used to it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/922.gif)

This post has been edited by Sicksicksicks: Mar 28 2006, 07:06 PM

I honestly am not certain that what I perceive as other people are not merely subconscious aspects of my mind reflecting variations of my character.

That I am not certain about that does not mean I am certain that what I perceive as other people merely are subconscious aspects of my mind reflecting variations of my character.

I also honestly am not certain that what I perceive as the external world is not the totality of my subconsciousness – complementarily compared to what I conceive as the internal world (which would then be the totality of my consciousness.)

That I am not certain about that does not mean I am certain that what I perceive as the external world is not the totality of my subconsciousness – complementarily compared to what I conceive as the internal world (which would then be the totality of my consciousness.)

However: I currently find that not considering the external world as my subconsciousness, and not considering other people as aspects of my subconsciousness, to be very useful for daily living.