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Praxis
post Mar 23 2006, 02:33 PM
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In the Kabbalistic Cross and LBRP (from the Golden Dawn rite), the words are:

Thou art the power and the kingdom and the glory forever.

In the Calyx (from the Aurum Solis rite), the words are:

Thou art the power and the kingdom and the majesty forever.

alt translation: Thou art the power and the kingdom and the glory forever unto the ages.



Okay:

In both cases: what/who exactly is being addressed?

i.e. What/who is the thou?

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post Apr 4 2006, 03:54 PM
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אמן Amen--"so be it"

ועד Vo-ed--"for ever"



I have to agree here that the whole point is that it is using the Hebrew equivalent of "Thou" it is referring to something other than oneself. If the point was to be "I am" it would have been that. Whether it may be referring to a part of the "Higher Self, Higher Intelligence, Jechidah, HGA or some other vague term" seems unimportant.

I figure, if you want to perform it as "I am the Kingdom, I am the Glory...." then change the actual wording instead of relying on some metaphysical argument as a backdoor to please the ego. It is in reference to something that is not entirely in one's self-possession and control at least grammatically and in tone.

People always cringe at this comparison even though they are so obviously closely-related, but it is the difference between "I am the Father, the Son,..." and "In the Name of the Father, the Son,....".


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