Astaroth-Astarte...Isis? Options

In the book "Modern Magick" I read of Astaroth being Astarte, or Isis..True? I haven't worked with any of the goetics, and don't plan to do so soon, but this was bugging me, lol...And if so, then can Bael/Baal be called as..Osiris? Since Re, and Horus are in the goetia, I wouldn't be suprised if Astaroth/Astarte, and Bael/baal can be called as Isis, and Osiris...Hell, it'll help my little egyptian pantheon shrine in the future, king, parents, and son. Any info? Thank you in advance for any information.

.::Sempre Bene::..::Chris::.
-Fiat Lux

This post has been edited by SangueDiNapoli: Mar 8 2006, 05:59 PM

Hey there! I've been digging around in some dusty places after this thread was originally posted. Gods! What a tangled mess! Aspects of this and that...it's hard to keep straight!
Athena, you are correct in your stance on Astarte/Ashtoreth/Astaroth....my questions arise from how in the hell does a goddess of L'amour become a male demon of lust? Quite a genderbender, LOL! I've worked with Astaroth and was influenced by the older MSS about his nature, et al. He never came across as a demon of Lust either! Whereas when dealing with the Astarte current there was no denying it!
Another interesting twist is that of Set. Originally he was a God of the Desert and Desert Storms. He was not evil. His contact with Heru (the Elder) was one of competition, not one of adversaries. It was rumored that they were lovers. With the invasion of the Hyksos, Set was adopted and eventually vilified because of political reasons...More ammunition for Mankind, the GodMakers! The pharoahs were said to have "the strength of Set"...even after the Vilification! He is a very elemental God/Netjer! I'm not certain how Flauros came to represent Horus. It was Heru (the Younger) that became the antagonist of Set when he was supposed to have killed Osiris and scattered his body parts over the Land. This may be nothing more than allegory. Osiris was originally a Vegetative/Agricultural God/Netjer denoting the Nile river basin/flood plain. Perhaps the story of Set killing Osiris is merely the tale of a huge desert storm ruining the Nile basin at one time. Osiris/Ausar adopted the title of God of the Underworld after this occurence, adopting the role from Anubis/Anpu...whose worship predates that of Ausar!
I could yammer like this for hours...suffice it to say that each aspect of a diety may have different names, gender and political alignment...depending on the vagueries of man, the GodMaker! IMHO, of course! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)

Hey there! I've been digging around in some dusty places after this thread was originally posted. Gods! What a tangled mess! Aspects of this and that...it's hard to keep straight!
Athena, you are correct in your stance on Astarte/Ashtoreth/Astaroth....my questions arise from how in the hell does a goddess of L'amour become a male demon of lust? Quite a genderbender, LOL! I've worked with Astaroth and was influenced by the older MSS about his nature, et al. He never came across as a demon of Lust either! Whereas when dealing with the Astarte current there was no denying it!
Another interesting twist is that of Set. Originally he was a God of the Desert and Desert Storms. He was not evil. His contact with Heru (the Elder) was one of competition, not one of adversaries. It was rumored that they were lovers. With the invasion of the Hyksos, Set was adopted and eventually vilified because of political reasons...More ammunition for Mankind, the GodMakers! The pharoahs were said to have "the strength of Set"...even after the Vilification! He is a very elemental God/Netjer! I'm not certain how Flauros came to represent Horus. It was Heru (the Younger) that became the antagonist of Set when he was supposed to have killed Osiris and scattered his body parts over the Land. This may be nothing more than allegory. Osiris was originally a Vegetative/Agricultural God/Netjer denoting the Nile river basin/flood plain. Perhaps the story of Set killing Osiris is merely the tale of a huge desert storm ruining the Nile basin at one time. Osiris/Ausar adopted the title of God of the Underworld after this occurence, adopting the role from Anubis/Anpu...whose worship predates that of Ausar!
I could yammer like this for hours...suffice it to say that each aspect of a diety may have different names, gender and political alignment...depending on the vagueries of man, the GodMaker! IMHO, of course! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)

It is actually quite easy to see how one God becomes another cultures daemon. Look at Baal for instance. He was worshiped in many Hebrew groups. It was this worship that forced the hebrew priesthood to demonise him. There are many references to "the one who rides the clouds" in the bible. This is because Baal was the rider of the clouds and the hebrew priesthood had to state that their own God was the "true" rider of the clouds.

There is no need to believe that Baal and Bael are exactly the same. But if you look him up and ask him you will find that he does infact consider himself one and the same.

Like Athena said, the Goetic spirits may be one aspect of these older Gods that has evolved and been included in the Goetia.

I do understand your point about people mixing gods and thinking they are one and the same. You can probably thank modern wicca and lewellyn publications for that.

Skinwalker