Elemental Interconnections Options

An aspect of the Enochian paradigm that I appreciate is how the elements are interconnected with each other. For example: water of earth; air of fire; earth of air; etc... To me, such interconnection enriches Enochian's elemental model.

However, I'm not clear about why a kind of elemental interconnection is included. Specifically - interconnections of the variety: earth of earth; water of water; air of air; etc...

I ask because while I comprehend that the interconnections for each element provide further insight regarding each element - yet, at this point, I don't comprehend how earth of earth is not simply earth, how water of water is not simply water, how air of air is not simply air, etc...

Explanations for why interconnections of that variety are included would be welcome.

I ask because while I comprehend that the interconnections for each element provide further insight regarding each element - yet, at this point, I don't comprehend how earth of earth is not simply earth, how water of water is not simply water, how air of air is not simply air, etc...

Explanations for why interconnections of that variety are included would be welcome.
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Strangely enough I am not so sure that the tablets from Liber Legoeth are elemental based. I know the Golden dawn made extensive use of the elemental corresponces with the enochian system, but then again their enochian system is not the same system Dee and Kelly were using. And the Golden Dawn was trying to MAKE the enochian system fit into their elemental based hermeticism.

It seems to me the Enochian beings cared more about the placing of the tablets and their directional correspondences, but this is my opinion. So when I work with the tablets I always state for example "I call to thee, Aboza supreme Dispositor upon the Eastern Subquarter of the such and such tablet." Rather than This:" I call to thee, Aboza the supreme Dispositor Angel of the Air subquarter of the such and such element teblet."

This post has been edited by Enigmius: Apr 7 2006, 12:39 PM

Okay - just to check here to be sure I comprehend what you mean here, Equiminius - taking the tablet of Air as an example:

The Tablet of Air is in the East.
The Tablet of Air is then subdivided into four quadrants.

Those four quadrants of the Tablet of Air are then further associated with the cardinal directions.

i.e.

The upper left quadrant of AIr is East (instead of being Air of Air);
The upper right quadrant of Air is West (instead of being Water of Air);
The lower left quadrant of Air is North (instead of being Earth of Air); and,
The lower right quadrant of Air is South (instead of being Fire of Air)?

Is that what you mean?

If not, could you reiterate your explanation for me here?

If not, could you reiterate your explanation for me here?

Well if you look at the great tablet with all four elemental tables on it it Goes like this

upper left tablet=air upper right tablet=Water

lower left tablet=Earth lower right tablet=Fire

You may notice that the directions and the elements are not in the same arrangement as most things are when it comes to ritual magick, but this is the way the angels delivered the information.

Now, each one of these tablets are further divided by four: These smaller sections are called subquadrants. The subquadrants are organised the same as the larger tablets for instance:

The sub quadrant of air if in the upperleft, the subquadrant of water is in the upper right, subquandrant of earth is lower left and the subquandrant of fire is the lower right.

But when calling the angels and giving their titles I leave out the words elements and what not all together and just use the directions.
UL= east
UR=south
Lr=west
LL=north

The reason I leave out the elements is because if you read all the books from dee and Kelly Journals there are some conflicting data on what element corresponds to which tablet, IN fact they have two different arangements of which element corresponds to each pole however none of the elemental arangements they give us are the same as the elemental arangements we are used to in ceremonial magick today.(e=air,s=fire,w=water,n=earth)..So if you must use the elemental correspondences I would stick to the list I gave you above as it is one way the angels give it to us.

This post has been edited by Enigmius: Apr 9 2006, 08:51 AM