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Does the paradigm revealed through the Necronomicon offer one a "path" for a practitioner to walk that is akin to pursuring The Great Work?

If so:

What is it?
What is happens to a practitioner while engaging it?
What is the results from a practitioner completing it?


I ask that question (and the collaries) because I suspect that more exists with regard to dealing with the various Powers referenced in that book - beyond merely calling up Elder Gods and other sundry entities for the sake of satisfying mundane desires.

There is major difference I see between the solomon grimore and the Nec. In the solomon you are commanding spirts and in a sense hiding behind the name of god when dealing with these spirts. In the nec it states you are pretty much on your own, you can pray to the Gods but the Gods are forgetful and may not acknowledge your prayers. Something to keep in mind before you attempt any of the rituals.

There is major difference I see between the solomon grimore and the Nec. In the solomon you are commanding spirts and in a sense hiding behind the name of god when dealing with these spirts. In the nec it states you are pretty much on your own, you can pray to the Gods but the Gods are forgetful and may not acknowledge your prayers. Something to keep in mind before you attempt any of the rituals.

Do you really think the Gods will not be as likely to help you when you call he nec spirits?

Do you also believe that when working with grimoires you are hiding behind the name of God?

I am not saying your ideas are not founded in literature... but mabey a little illogical.

One should consider the hermetic ramifications of what you just said.

Skinwalker

There is major difference I see between the solomon grimore and the Nec. In the solomon you are commanding spirts and in a sense hiding behind the name of god when dealing with these spirts. In the nec it states you are pretty much on your own, you can pray to the Gods but the Gods are forgetful and may not acknowledge your prayers. Something to keep in mind before you attempt any of the rituals.

Do you really think the Gods will not be as likely to help you when you call he nec spirits?

Do you also believe that when working with grimoires you are hiding behind the name of God?

I am not saying your ideas are not founded in literature... but mabey a little illogical.

One should consider the hermetic ramifications of what you just said.

Skinwalker

I believe most people working with grimores (such as the goetia) are like mafia bosses sending out demons to do their dirty work. And yes most of the time they are hiding behind the name of god(father). I think you may have misunderstood me, when I say the gods are forgetful, the gods from the nec/sumerian are what I am refering to. That is why most of the incatations in the nec say "remember!" after the gods name. As for the gods in the solomon system of magic helping you when dealing with this current of magic.. it depends on what you consider "help"

This post has been edited by distillate: Apr 8 2006, 08:10 PM

There is major difference I see between the solomon grimore and the Nec. In the solomon you are commanding spirts and in a sense hiding behind the name of god when dealing with these spirts. In the nec it states you are pretty much on your own, you can pray to the Gods but the Gods are forgetful and may not acknowledge your prayers. Something to keep in mind before you attempt any of the rituals.

Do you really think the Gods will not be as likely to help you when you call he nec spirits?

Do you also believe that when working with grimoires you are hiding behind the name of God?

I am not saying your ideas are not founded in literature... but mabey a little illogical.

One should consider the hermetic ramifications of what you just said.

Skinwalker

I believe most people working with grimores (such as the goetia) are like mafia bosses sending out demons to do their dirty work. And yes most of the time they are hiding behind the name of god(father). I think you may have misunderstood me, when I say the gods are forgetful, the gods from the nec/sumerian are what I am refering to. That is why most of the incatations in the nec say "remember!" after the gods name. As for the gods in the solomon system of magic helping you when dealing with this current of magic.. it depends on what you consider "help"

Well I can say personally about half of the magick I do is evocation. I do not really get your comparison to a mafia boss. This is probably because I do not see a big difference between working with evocation and other forms of low magick. A Mafia boss works like a general commanding his troops. You will find even with a familiar spirit it is rarely that type of relationship a person has with an earth bound spirit. It is usually much more like a give and take situation. It would be more comparible to a used car salesman trieng to bargain a deal than a mafia boss simply using someone esle to do his own dirty work.

Also this discounts any concept of an initiatory cycle within the grimoires or even the necronomicon. Part of the purpose of evocation (if not the purpose entirely) is self improvement, introspection, and learning about the self (often the parts of self many would be scared to touch). In this way it is not dis-similar than most magicks.

I also know at least in my personal experience in evoking spirits, I do not ever "hide" behind the name of God. It is this concept that seperates the dabblers and the initiated. When you use barbaric names in invocation (names of God) you are calling an inner part of yourself as much as you are calling an outer force. You the magickian are supposed to be the one in control. It is by the force of my own concentrated will that I contain a spirit within the triangle, not any name of "God". The concept that one is paying another to do his dirty work also discounts the true nature of sucessful evocation. In my opinion Evocation is one of the hardest, and possibly most effective systems of magick to work with. There is truely nothing more scary than looking yourself in the mirror (especially when a daemon looks back at you).

The point I am simply making is that you have to seperate the superstition from a grimoire or any system of evocational magick in order to fully work the system. If the magickian is working a system of evocation he must first truelly understand what he is doing by evoking an entity. After that, names of God, and "help" are merely trivial. A good magickian could call any entity in the name of Goofy and Donald Duck, under the supream guidance of master Pinochio and get really good results. He could also use Hebrew God names to control and restrain the spirits of the Nec.

Skinwalker

Skinwalker

I comprehend the comparison with a Mafia Boss because evocation does seem to be about commanding evoked entities to do something in the service of the Mage – or else.

Something does not ring right regarding using Hebrew God names to control and to restrain the entities explained by the Necronomicon – because those entities do not seem to me to fall under the jurisdiction of the Hebrew God.

I get how you might have said that, in the attempt to emphasize The Mage is the one who controls whatever entity is evoked, Skinwalker. However, saying it like that did not initially emphasize that sentiment for me. Instead, it seemed (and still does to some degree) to me that the suggestion is: one can use the God of one paradigm to control the entities of another.

And that seriously is dubious to me.

I comprehend the comparison with a Mafia Boss because evocation does seem to be about commanding evoked entities to do something in the service of the Mage – or else.

Something does not ring right regarding using Hebrew God names to control and to restrain the entities explained by the Necronomicon – because those entities do not seem to me to fall under the jurisdiction of the Hebrew God.

I get how you might have said that, in the attempt to emphasize The Mage is the one who controls whatever entity is evoked, Skinwalker. However, saying it like that did not initially emphasize that sentiment for me. Instead, it seemed (and still does to some degree) to me that the suggestion is: one can use the God of one paradigm to control the entities of another.

And that seriously is dubious to me.

The Magickian is God.