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Praxis
post Aug 12 2005, 05:16 PM
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Does the paradigm revealed through the Necronomicon offer one a "path" for a practitioner to walk that is akin to pursuring The Great Work?

If so:

What is it?
What is happens to a practitioner while engaging it?
What is the results from a practitioner completing it?


I ask that question (and the collaries) because I suspect that more exists with regard to dealing with the various Powers referenced in that book - beyond merely calling up Elder Gods and other sundry entities for the sake of satisfying mundane desires.

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post Aug 14 2005, 07:05 AM
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1. What is the word for the paradigm revealed by the Necronomicon?

2. What is the appropriate term for one who practices this system?

3. Is there a cosmological map that reveals the layout of the places where the various entities of the Necronomicon reside? Can such a map be constructed from considering where each of the Gates lead?

4. How are the entities indicated by the Necronomicon related to each other? Is there some form of structure that governs those entities' interactions with each other? Any sort of hierarchial order based upon abilities, sequence of their origination, etc..?

5. Have the entities of the Necronomicon provided information regarding the cosmos in which they dwell, their origins, destinies, etc...? Can they do so? Or are they just granters of abilities and changers of reality based upon what they are commanded to do according to the will of the practitioner?

6. Have any tables of correspondences been made that provide further insight to the skills of those entities?

7. What is the practitioner in relation to those entities? Master, servant, food, enemy, etc..?

8. After this lifetime, what happens to the practitioner? Does one become the plaything of Necronomiconic entities one bossed around during this lifetime? Does one move beyond their sphere of influence, taking abilities gained from galavanting through the Gates, and progress to other places withinthe cosmic scheme for continuing growth adventures elsewhere? Does one come back to this world? etc...


(Edited because of a glaring syntax crossover problem with two questions.)

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QUOTE(Praxis @ Aug 14 2005, 07:05 AM) *
1. What is the word for the paradigm revealed by the Necronomicon?

2. What is the appropriate term for one who practices this system?

3. Is there a cosmological map that reveals the layout of the places where the various entities of the Necronomicon reside? Can such a map be constructed from considering where each of the Gates lead?

4. How are the entities indicated by the Necronomicon related to each other? Is there some form of structure that governs those entities' interactions with each other? Any sort of hierarchial order based upon abilities, sequence of their origination, etc..?

5. Have the entities of the Necronomicon provided information regarding the cosmos in which they dwell, their origins, destinies, etc...? Can they do so? Or are they just granters of abilities and changers of reality based upon what they are commanded to do according to the will of the practitioner?

6. Have any tables of correspondences been made that provide further insight to the skills of those entities?

7. What is the practitioner in relation to those entities? Master, servant, food, enemy, etc..?

8. After this lifetime, what happens to the practitioner? Does one become the plaything of Necronomiconic entities one bossed around during this lifetime? Does one move beyond their sphere of influence, taking abilities gained from galavanting through the Gates, and progress to other places withinthe cosmic scheme for continuing growth adventures elsewhere? Does one come back to this world? etc...


(Edited because of a glaring syntax crossover problem with two questions.)


Sup dood, one long night indeed LOL. Sorry about that.

1. There is no proper term for the paradigm revealed by the Necronomicon. Though, insanity could be a good term LOL. In all seriousness though, the book gives no specific term.

2. A practicioner of the Necronomicon could be described as a simoniconist. If you work the system in terms of seeing it as more than a grimorie, than one becomes a priest of sorts.

3. A map of where the Elder Gods reside would roughly be the planets that each god is granted authority over. The Ancient Ones reside in the "outer" spheres, or in other words, places where no map leads.

4. Ooooh, this is a tricky question lol. Essentially there are three groups in the Necronomicon. The Elder Gods (2), and the Ancient Ones. The Elder Gods compose two groups at the point where there are the gods of the heavens, and the gods (or rather godess) of the underworld.

a. Placing the Gods of the heavens in a hierarchy can be sticky but Ill try to explain. Anu is the father of Enki and Enlil. Anu is the oldest of the Elder Gods in the Necronomicon. Enki is the priests father (as a christian would take Yahweh as his or her father). As the ancient stories go, Enki's son, Marduk, became the King of all of the gods when he defeated Tiamat. So to put it all together, Enki is the priests head god, Marduk is the King of all gods (as they granted him this title after defeating Tiamat, even though he is much younger than some of the other gods discussed in the necronomicon), and Anu is the Eldest God (of the Elder Gods, other gods existed, but died in the Sumerian Creation story).

b. The underworld is pretty strait forward. Ereshkigal rules the underworld with Nergal at her side.

c. The head of the Ancient Ones is Tiamat, or, her male counterpart Kutullu (in Necronomicon mythology, though not in strict Sumerian mythology). Puzuzu and Humwawa (as well as the others) are a bit tricky to put into this catagory because some would more fit as simply being part of the underworld....though for the most part, fall under the catagory of being Ancient Ones.

5. While they do grant abilities and such, most of the Spirits in the book also reveal aspects of the Necronomicon and the cosmos. Do really know which ones despense the best knowledge on a certain field, you will have to summon and ask as many times, only the abilities or rewards they grant are listed in the Necronomicon.

6. No, each entity is skilled at a multitude of taks and information...most of which must be found out by the spirit itself, thats half the fun !

7. As a mage working with the book, you are just another magickian to them lol. As a priest though, you are (somewhat) master as you are tasked with doing the WIll of Enki and Marduk, their King.

8. That really depends on the level of growth that one achievs during this life time, but by no means does one become the plaything of the entities of the Necronomicon....unless of course one is stupid enough to become a slave of the Ancient Ones. At that point, all of Lovecraft's shit becomes a reality LOL.

I hope I was able to clarify a few questions, though I know some answers were a bit sketchy....if you need clarification on anything, just let me know brother.


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8. After this lifetime, what happens to the practitioner? Does one become the plaything of Necronomiconic entities one bossed around during this lifetime? Does one move beyond their sphere of influence, taking abilities gained from galavanting through the Gates, and progress to other places withinthe cosmic scheme for continuing growth adventures elsewhere? Does one come back to this world? etc..

What you expect is what you get. Read the Tibetian Book of The Dead. The Tibetian monks are wise in their knowledge of the world between worlds. A master like Crowley could easily manipulate the afterlife. I can not tell you what will happen to you when you die. But as for me I will go before my master Enki to recieve further orders.

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