How to work Enochian and a rant :) Options

This will be much shorter then it should be, but just wanted to point out a few things.
Dee and Kelly did NOT use a circle at any point during the Enochian workings. That painting of them doing the whole necromancy thing in the circle was an artists idea of what they did, not what they did as far as I know.
Dee and Kelly did NOT use a triangle.
They did NOT use the LBRP or any other banishing rituals.

What they did do a heapload of prayers to the divine, setup the crystal ball on the table, and called the spirits. They of course also had their friendly Enochian and Kabbalistic enttieis they had gotten in good with around them during these sessions to help out a bit. But that's it. They even sat down to do this! It doesn't mention what they wore for ritual garments, so it could have been regular clothing, or white robes, not sure on that one.

So how did they work Enochian, well they called the EEs. Oh what a novel concept, calling some spirits to help out in magics, never had a tradition do that before. Why it stopped being a major part of modern magic I have no idea. Sure spirits are called, but usually just to stand there in one of the quarters, or for the odd spell. Dee and Kelly (and most other magicians of old) actually got to know the spirits, become friends, get teachings etc. They didn't just open up some book, look up the table of correspondances, place a few things out, then call some names and charge something. No, they gained in depth teachings and had a working relationship with these spirits.

When a lady needed healing, what did they do? They didn't go to their handy Llewellyn book, they called up these spirits that they had gotten to know over the years and asked for methods and help to perform the operation. Well they were given a detailed and complex method of creating a healing talisman for her.

Also if you look at the Enochian MS (I seriously don't see why anyone would bother working a system of magic without reading the original documentation!), you will note that there are talismans and tables specifically for practical means. You might also note that there are seals for several spirits that help with some very practical, and in a couple of cases diabolical magics!

It does make me wonder (back to that rant) why people would say they work Enochian, without having read a SINGLE actual Enochian source? No the GD does NOT count <sigh>. Or even worse, skryed up and talked with a *single* Enochian entity? Would someone dare say they worked Voudo without ever having called Legba? I somehow doubt it! Would someone say they were a Golden Dawn magician without ever having read the cipher documents? Oh wait nm that one LOL. Would someone say they are a physical alchamist without ever having tinctured a plant? How about a necromancer without ever having talked with the dead? Well I somehow doubt it. So why do people call themselves Enochian magicians without ever having talked with an EE? And NO, calling the quarters and vibrating their names does NOT count as having called them and talked with them!

Get out your damn crystal ball and get to work! Are you a magician? Well I assume so. Magicians do magic. Sort of like a lawyer has actually read millions of previous court cases and gone to court hundreds of times, so why a magician thinks they could get away with say going online and reading a few webpages on law then going into the courtroom is beyond me! Well that is what the analogy would be when folks just read one wantered down book on a system then say they practice it. Lets see you could call me up for teaching and either have me teach (hehe this is deja vu for one of my students) and just make me stand there in the East to represent teaching. Which do you think would be more productive as far as learning goes?

So anyways, Enochian is FULL of how to do magic, it is just that it does not look like the cookbook magic we are used to. It is not setup in nice tables of correspondances (save for a few in my book) or step by step instructions (OK I even covered that on my site in many cases), or a system shallow enough that one could think they know it in 350 pages.....

Athena

This will be much shorter then it should be, but just wanted to point out a few things.
Dee and Kelly did NOT use a circle at any point during the Enochian workings. That painting of them doing the whole necromancy thing in the circle was an artists idea of what they did, not what they did as far as I know.
Dee and Kelly did NOT use a triangle.
They did NOT use the LBRP or any other banishing rituals.

Very true - they didn't have the handy rites we all have now. Indeed, they didn't really do magick - they prayed (another form of magick, yes, but not the type we think of when we mention the term "magick"). Just because Dee and Kelley didn't use banishing rituals doesn't mean we shouldn't (just to be a "purist") - indeed, they didn't actually use the Enochian system in the first place, so does that mean we shouldn't too (just to be a "purist")? Yes, they communicated with some of the angels, but they didn't use what the angels delivered to them.

What they did do a heapload of prayers to the divine, setup the crystal ball on the table, and called the spirits. They of course also had their friendly Enochian and Kabbalistic enttieis they had gotten in good with around them during these sessions to help out a bit. But that's it. They even sat down to do this! It doesn't mention what they wore for ritual garments, so it could have been regular clothing, or white robes, not sure on that one.

Are you suggesting that all Enochian magicians should throw away their rituals and pray instead? Firstly, there's alot of anti-Christian sentiment going around, and I know a good few people who dislike the strong Christian (Gnostic) focus of the Calls, etc. Yes, prayer works, and I thoroughly enjoy the Christian elements of this system - however, if you're going to dismiss things like the LBRP, then you might as well dismiss working Enochian and Voudon in tandem too, given Dee and Kelley didn't use/do that either.

I agree to a certain extent with the rest of what you said in that post, though I would consider the G.'.D.'. teachings on Enochian to "count", however skewed they may be. They have, while butchering parts of it, made some interesting expansions of it in other areas, and, if nothing more, most of us probably wouldn't even have heard of Enochian if it was not for the G.'.D.'.'s popularisation of it. I think it's become a bit of a fad to dismiss the G.'.D.'. nowadays, just like Christianity, but if we are to claim to be intelligent beings, I think a little perspective is needed here.

Just my three cents (to make up for inflation (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif))...

LLLSHJ,
Yechidah.