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post Nov 18 2004, 04:55 PM
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do they use the same way or is one better than the other? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


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post Jun 5 2006, 06:21 AM
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As somone pinted out the Staff touches the ground.
Traditions differ but there is still symbology beyond personal to be considered.

The Staff is often seen as the world tree just like the spear of Odin.
It, like the Stang can be placed in the ground as an Altar (but then, so can any object).

The Wand is usually seen as a torch or a phallic symbol pertaining to fire.
However some traditions of Wicca see it as the Caduceus of Hermes and thus Air.
Question is ofcourse if this is not Hermes (Air) wielding Fire.
The Caduceus , however is a symbol of utmost balance.

(IMG:http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2/ErosAgape/scaduceus.jpg)

The Dagger thus is usually seen as Air seeing as a knife cuts up and divides just as reason does (it IS a weopon though, if double edged so it could be discussed). However some Wiccan traditions see it as "aggresive" and thus Fire.

The Sword in Tarot is Air, but on a higher level couses more division.
It is often ascribed to Spirit as is the "Egg girt with a serpent"
(IMG:http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2/ErosAgape/sorphic.jpg)

It is however also a weopon and thus very naturaly ascribed to Mars.
Especially a burning one (Arch Angel Michael).

The stang is Horned and as such should come to reprecent the Horned God.
Astrologicly it should be ascribet to Luna, the moon since its phallic like all horns and antlers (fight for females).
Hornes where used for insemination ones some claim.

These opinions are made from a Kabbalist/ Hermetic. Your world view might differ and with it its symbology.
Also there´s a thing with personal symbols ("It is not ONLY a knife, its my grandads old knife, so it cuts down to the kingdom of ancestors as well
and links me to them" or "I found this stick at my old schoolyard. It is a wand of learning potential").

Also, blending symbology is sometimes done. The Golden Dawn has a "Lotus Wand". A Wans covered in Watery flowers
to get Water in Fire.


Let the symbols talk to you on a personal level together with study.
You will learn more about the usefulness of it as you use it.

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Sage of the ages   wand or staff   Nov 18 2004, 04:55 PM
| Kinjo   IMO, that will dependent entirely on your preferen...   Nov 18 2004, 06:12 PM
R3QuI3M   Either 1 is fine as long as u like it. :)   Mar 4 2005, 03:36 AM
puppetmaster   Wands are better for small places and easier to st...   Mar 23 2005, 06:01 PM
Rin Daemoko   Yes, they virtually have the same use. There is a ...   Mar 25 2005, 01:08 PM
Sage of the ages   thanks Rin. the definitions helped a lot :ok: :D   Mar 29 2005, 02:40 PM
Anja   Some groups and traditios have slightly different ...   Jun 9 2005, 02:29 AM
Acid09   I prefere the staff because its multi-functional. ...   Jun 17 2005, 03:00 PM
wisdomsbane   the biggest difference between wands and staves as...   Jun 17 2005, 07:37 PM
UniOne   I like the staff better than the wand... because s...   Jun 20 2005, 10:09 AM
Rin Daemoko   I also prefer the staff to the wand. It's easi...   Jun 21 2005, 06:13 AM
fleecileez   I have a wand i bought in glastonbury but i dont k...   Jun 21 2005, 02:44 PM
Acid09   There are many techniques. But consecrating just m...   Jun 24 2005, 03:37 PM
gavriel   Dont forget Stangs. These are staves with a forked...   Sep 5 2005, 02:37 AM
Vishwas   I am a newbie, & still am trying to learn more...   Oct 31 2005, 05:15 AM
bym   Greetings! The best ones are the ones that we ...   Oct 31 2005, 10:46 AM
Leanbh   I make all my tools, my first one was a Stang, be...   Jan 31 2006, 02:20 PM
Rakesh   The stang was, I think, originally an instrument t...   Jan 31 2006, 05:58 PM
Leanbh   First I do believe stang is a word for pole. They...   Jan 31 2006, 10:47 PM
Rakesh   I think its great that you made your own rather ...   Feb 1 2006, 06:06 AM
bym   Greetings! I would like this discussion to sta...   Feb 1 2006, 06:18 AM
esoterica   whether store-bought or handmade, a wand or staff ...   Feb 1 2006, 10:45 AM
Oath   Does anyone know if there is a difference and if s...   Feb 4 2006, 08:20 AM
The White Chaos   I can see myself using both, infact I'm workin...   Apr 21 2006, 03:10 AM
Forest Elf   Well, I prefer a hand-crafted wand myself. Try car...   Apr 24 2006, 04:12 PM
The White Chaos   Yes it does get the job done in a manner of speaki...   Apr 25 2006, 04:18 AM
Sojrn   I have both a wand and staff as are both used on a...   May 21 2006, 02:38 PM
osiris1313   Well I prefer a Wand it is easier to wield. in som...   Jun 11 2006, 12:58 AM
MouseBrat2006   Well I prefer a Wand it is easier to wield. in som...   Aug 13 2006, 10:37 AM
smasher666   do they use the same way or is one better than the...   Jun 11 2006, 02:48 AM
Eroscupidonamor   Does anyone know a tradition of consacrating a sta...   Aug 16 2006, 07:45 AM
Ashnook   Elemental tools of the western tradition aside, th...   Aug 16 2006, 05:39 PM
Eroscupidonamor   Ashnook,I saw that you were using some kind of sta...   Aug 16 2006, 07:11 PM
Saul de Plume   I like the Stag idea :D!! What if I have ...   Nov 12 2006, 02:15 AM

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