Poll: Triangle Or No Triangle Options

I am looking for people to share why they prefer to use or not use a triangle. I know some do and some do only once in a while. So share why you do or don't.

Really interesting smasher, have you summoned any maelovent spirits that dont respond well to this or are mishchievious?
Also in response to Angalor, yes the spirit's name was Chroronzon, and when Crowley entered the circle, it possessed him. After that it tried to seduce and trick him into leaving the circle but he ignored it. But while Neuremberg was taking down the notes, the demon, through Crowley threw sand on the circle and attacked him, but was later pushed out of the circle and threatened with Neuremberg's magic dagger.

This post has been edited by Chorozon: Jun 29 2006, 08:16 AM

Really interesting smasher, have you summoned any maelovent spirits that dont respond well to this or are mishchievious?
Also in response to Angalor, yes the spirit's name was Chroronzon, and when Crowley entered the circle, it possessed him. After that it tried to seduce and trick him into leaving the circle but he ignored it. But while Neuremberg was taking down the notes, the demon, through Crowley threw sand on the circle and attacked him, but was later pushed out of the circle and threatened with Neuremberg's magic dagger.

About 9 years ago after working with the Lesser Key for over a year almost on a daily basis. I called all of the Goetic spirits in a single night and space without a circle to prove my power over them.

There are some spirits that I would not call without a circle or triangle. These belong more in the class of evil gods than the class of evil spirits though. A couple of evil Gods I foolishly called years ago when I was going through a Ceremonial Magician phase. It worked perfectly for what I wanted which was to crush some enemies. Once again I trusted to my Tatoo of a little known Bardon symbol which is to Make All Spirits Pay Homage. It was so many years ago that I got the Tatoo I can not remember exactly which book it came from. It was used on bird houses to house spirits and said to cause madness if written on a man. Although it is tatooed on me I am not insane that I know of. If you want I can try to draw the symbol scan it on my scanner and post it here. SO let me know.

Now that my 20's are gone and my 30's are here I am a bit more cautious. I have seen more than one Ceremonial Magician lose thier mind in the last 5 years.

We should all learn our limitations and not go beyond them.

This post has been edited by smasher666: Jun 29 2006, 10:45 AM

Really interesting smasher, have you summoned any maelovent spirits that dont respond well to this or are mishchievious?
Also in response to Angalor, yes the spirit's name was Chroronzon, and when Crowley entered the circle, it possessed him. After that it tried to seduce and trick him into leaving the circle but he ignored it. But while Neuremberg was taking down the notes, the demon, through Crowley threw sand on the circle and attacked him, but was later pushed out of the circle and threatened with Neuremberg's magic dagger.

About 9 years ago after working with the Lesser Key for over a year almost on a daily basis. I called all of the Goetic spirits in a single night and space without a circle to prove my power over them.

There are some spirits that I would not call without a circle or triangle. These belong more in the class of evil gods than the class of evil spirits though. A couple of evil Gods I foolishly called years ago when I was going through a Ceremonial Magician phase. It worked perfectly for what I wanted which was to crush some enemies. Once again I trusted to my Tatoo of a little known Bardon symbol which is to Make All Spirits Pay Homage. It was so many years ago that I got the Tatoo I can not remember exactly which book it came from. It was used on bird houses to house spirits and said to cause madness if written on a man. Although it is tatooed on me I am not insane that I know of. If you want I can try to draw the symbol scan it on my scanner and post it here. SO let me know.

Now that my 20's are gone and my 30's are here I am a bit more cautious. I have seen more than one Ceremonial Magician lose thier mind in the last 5 years.

We should all learn our limitations and not go beyond them.

I would have to agree with Smasher about the presence of a circle/triangle. I Haven't used one myself since my very first experiments in evocation. When the magician has established a sacred space - IMO most effective when it exists both within the magician and in his chosen workroom/area (I have, for instance, a double circle with a pentacle inside of it scribed on a sheet of cotton that is about four feet across for "to go") - you should have the understanding and faith that within that space you are the Absolute - the embodiment of God itself and with total dominion over that space and everything within it.

Having established that authority, entities are much, much more respectful and forthcoming than when they are called into a triangle and treated as something that could possibly harm you. Adding libation to the matter of some sort - I like to burn herbs resonant with the spirit's nature, myself - shows that the magician is an appreciative and gracious 'God' in his space. And we all know that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Malevolent spirits are just like malevolent people. You can always assume they are looking for the next oppurtunity to trip you up. Respond with a firm hand, show that you aren't to be trifled with, and even the most dangerous spirits will get the picture - but you must have unflinching confidence.

Remember: everything that is true about human nature, is true about spirits as well, but on a different level.

peace

Really interesting smasher, have you summoned any maelovent spirits that dont respond well to this or are mishchievious?
Also in response to Angalor, yes the spirit's name was Chroronzon, and when Crowley entered the circle, it possessed him. After that it tried to seduce and trick him into leaving the circle but he ignored it. But while Neuremberg was taking down the notes, the demon, through Crowley threw sand on the circle and attacked him, but was later pushed out of the circle and threatened with Neuremberg's magic dagger.

About 9 years ago after working with the Lesser Key for over a year almost on a daily basis. I called all of the Goetic spirits in a single night and space without a circle to prove my power over them.

There are some spirits that I would not call without a circle or triangle. These belong more in the class of evil gods than the class of evil spirits though. A couple of evil Gods I foolishly called years ago when I was going through a Ceremonial Magician phase. It worked perfectly for what I wanted which was to crush some enemies. Once again I trusted to my Tatoo of a little known Bardon symbol which is to Make All Spirits Pay Homage. It was so many years ago that I got the Tatoo I can not remember exactly which book it came from. It was used on bird houses to house spirits and said to cause madness if written on a man. Although it is tatooed on me I am not insane that I know of. If you want I can try to draw the symbol scan it on my scanner and post it here. SO let me know.

Now that my 20's are gone and my 30's are here I am a bit more cautious. I have seen more than one Ceremonial Magician lose thier mind in the last 5 years.

We should all learn our limitations and not go beyond them.

I would have to agree with Smasher about the presence of a circle/triangle. I Haven't used one myself since my very first experiments in evocation. When the magician has established a sacred space - IMO most effective when it exists both within the magician and in his chosen workroom/area (I have, for instance, a double circle with a pentacle inside of it scribed on a sheet of cotton that is about four feet across for "to go") - you should have the understanding and faith that within that space you are the Absolute - the embodiment of God itself and with total dominion over that space and everything within it.

Having established that authority, entities are much, much more respectful and forthcoming than when they are called into a triangle and treated as something that could possibly harm you. Adding libation to the matter of some sort - I like to burn herbs resonant with the spirit's nature, myself - shows that the magician is an appreciative and gracious 'God' in his space. And we all know that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Malevolent spirits are just like malevolent people. You can always assume they are looking for the next oppurtunity to trip you up. Respond with a firm hand, show that you aren't to be trifled with, and even the most dangerous spirits will get the picture - but you must have unflinching confidence.

Remember: everything that is true about human nature, is true about spirits as well, but on a different level.

peace

Vagrant Dreamer has spoken wisely. However remeber if you are a newbie U had best stick to the basics and follow the double circle and Triangle method.