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Jul 12 2006, 05:32 PM
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I was browsing wikipedia.com reading about the history of earth, ancient civilizations, artifacts, scientific theories of the universe and somehow it led me to time travel theories and how it cannot be done with our current scientific findings - even if it is theoritically possible. However, I followed a link to a page called The ATS John Titor Project/Archiving the history of comments and statements made by "time traveler", John Titor.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_TitorQUOTE The SkepticOverlord's Introduction: At some time in early November of 2000, someone showed up in a few Internet discussion boards calling themselves Timetravel_0. Over time, they then laid claim to the real name, John Titor, a time traveler from the year 2036. From there, the name John Titor will forever be embedded in the folklore of both alternative-topic boards like ATS, and the Internet as a whole. As many will recall, one of the first things Titor did was post pictures of his time machine and his operations manual. As the days, weeks, and months went by, people began questioning Titor about his presence "in our timeline", the seeming impossibility of the physics of time travel and his thoughts about the issues of our time. He also posted on other Internet discussion boards including the old Art Bell site. In his posts John Titor often entertained, enraged, frightened and belittled those who engaged him in mostly one-sided conversation. On March 24, 2001, John Titor announced he would be leaving our time and returning to 2036. After that, he was never heard from again. Speculation and investigation about who John Titor was and why he was online (curiously focusing his efforts on conspiracy community discussion boards) continues to this day. Although many find it easy to dismiss all this as either science fiction or an elaborate extended hoax, there are those who still read his information and agree that there is something very troubling about John Titor and what he had to say. I was present during many of his postings and at the time, didn't pay much attention, immediately dismissing it as just another Internet hoax. However, as time goes by, many point to current-day details that seem to corroborate Titor's stories, and even others feel his exact predictions have come to pass. Others have even compiled his contributions into the book, John Titor A Time Traveler's Tale. AboveTopSecret.com is presenting the contributions and posting of John Titor as a result of the hard work of several members who participated in our research project focused on gathering all the data before it was lost from free online access. We believe this is the most complete and accurate archive of John Titor information available for free. The information is provided without official commentary of any type. Review the information, discuss, debate, and draw your own conclusions. -SkepticOverlord. QUOTE 30 December 2000 11:47 (about time travel) 169 (If parallel universes do exist, did they all start simultaneously? I mean, let's assume that the universe originated from a singularity. Were there any parallel universes at that point? That would not be very logical and it would also imply that there is a parallel universe in which our universe never existed.) 30 December 2000 11:47 (about time travel) 170 It is thought that the event called the �Big Bang� was the start of not only this worldline or universe but all worldlines and all universes that make up the superuniverse. It is also thought that the superuniverse can be imagined as an expanding sphere with the big bang in the center. Individual worldliness (or timelines as you call them) can be imagined as lines originating at the center and �trending� toward spiraling around the sphere until they reach the edge. The individual worldlines expand in length and widen as you follow them from the center. Each individual �moment� or �event� on a world line has infinite possibilities or outcomes. Imagine this as a single point with infinite lines shooting away from it, which in turn are made up of points with their own possibilities and outcomes. Now, remember, these individual worldliness with all these points and possibilities are defined by their ability to hold there inhabitants to timelike trips only (no faster than light travel). 30 December 2000 11:47 (about time travel) 171 Now consider the reality of a spinning or electrified black hole (Kerr). Penrose diagrams of these oddities show mathematically that you can make simulated spacelike trips (faster than light) through the singularity without being destroyed. In order to do this without wiping out most modern physical laws, you must travel to an alternate worldline or universe. Therefore, if multiple worldlines exist, infinite worldlines exist. 30 December 2000 11:47 (about time travel) 172 (�If I go forward on this world line, the future will not be my future. I get home by going back to 1975 before I arrived and then going forward to 2036.") A few people have asked me about this statement so I will try to clarify it. On my worldline (A) in 2036, I was given a mission in 1975. I turn my machine on and jump to another worldline (B) in 1975 with about a 2% divergence from (A). From the very point I turn my machine off on (B), I create a new worldline just because I�m there. This line can be described as © and started when I got to (B). I am now doing my mission on line © in 1975 when I discover a very a good reason to go forward on © and see what happened. I turn my machine on and go forward on © to the year 2000. When I turn it off, I start another line called (D). So from my perspective, here we are on line (D) in the year 2000. In order to go home to line (A) I must turn my machine on and go back on (D) until I reach © which in turn would take me back to (B) which in turn takes me to a point before I arrived on (B) then I go forward from the point I arrived on (B) back to (A). 30 December 2000 11:47 (about time travel) 173 v If all this isn�t enough to get your head spinning�here are some issues we�re dealing with in 2036. - Did your worldline (D) exist at all before I got here from ©? (personally I don�t see how it couldn�t)
- What happens at the end of a worldine at the edge of the superuniverse?
- If there are infinite worldlines and infinite possibilities and an edge to the superuniverse, doesn�t that mean occurring events on worldliness are staggered as they reach the edge? (time could end at any moment without warning).
30 December 2000 11:47 (about time travel) 174 In trying to imagine a superuniverse with infinite possibilities and worldlines, I think of a room with mirrors on all the walls. You are aware of your captivity but as you look in the distance, you see an infinite number of �yours� in an infinite number of mirrored rooms. The gravity distortion machine allows you to �step� out of your room and into another next to you. The closer you are to your original room, the closer it looks like yours, the farther away, the stranger it looks to you. A very interesting and at least entertaining read (IMG: style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I spent some hours reading through the pages and throughly entertained and half convinced. He throws a lot of interesting and thought provoking ideas and questions. The ATS John Titor Project/Archiving the history of comments and statements made by "time traveler", John Titor.
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Vagrant Dreamer |
Jul 13 2006, 02:31 PM
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I suppose we'll find out if we achieve time travel by 2036 or so.
However, I have to say that what he says about alternate universes, worldlines, etc... matches what i've observed.
One might assume that if humanity -ever- manages time travel, then there must be some sort of effect currently on our timeline from the future. But, going into the past would only serve to illuminate an alternate timeline, not actually affect the future itself as one knows it. It might be viable for exploring or researching history in a way that we might learn more about how our decisions can affect the events in our world. If we can learn from consequences of just one decision in the past, what might we learn if we were able to study multiple decisions and their outcomes from the same temporal locale?
Fun fun!
peace
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Alafair |
Jul 13 2006, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Jul 13 2006, 03:31 PM) I suppose we'll find out if we achieve time travel by 2036 or so. peace (IMG: style_emoticons/default/ac42.gif) And I suppose it could be said that time travel is achieved already.
I did it today. I got up this morning ... travelled through time ... here I am now about to go to bed again, but nothing is the same as it was 17 hours ago. It has all changed but I am now in the future, because the past is just that - past.
The present has now become the past in a split second and the future will always there especially for the dreamers. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/starspin.gif) (IMG: style_emoticons/default/angel.gif)
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Vagrant Dreamer |
Jul 13 2006, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(Alafair @ Jul 13 2006, 04:44 PM) QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Jul 13 2006, 03:31 PM) I suppose we'll find out if we achieve time travel by 2036 or so. peace
(IMG: style_emoticons/default/ac42.gif) And I suppose it could be said that time travel is achieved already.
I did it today. I got up this morning ... travelled through time ... here I am now about to go to bed again, but nothing is the same as it was 17 hours ago. It has all changed but I am now in the future, because the past is just that - past.
The present has now become the past in a split second and the future will always there especially for the dreamers. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/starspin.gif) (IMG: style_emoticons/default/angel.gif) What you're experiencing is linear time. 'time travel' would function upon a different frame of time, non-linear time, or at least multi-vector time. In any case, this guy, John Titor, claims in one of his various responses that civil war begins in the US around 2004 with a series of "Waco" type events which steadily get worse every month or so. Here we are 2006, no civil war. Given that this person himself claimed not to have said/caused/inpinged up our 'worldline' enough for it to diverger significantly form his own worldline, I would say that's the proof right there that he was not in fact from the future. A lot of what he says in these messages is concurrent with events that are basically inevitable. My guess is that this guy, for whatever reason - either he is delusional, in his own world, or he's just out to f*ck with people - decided to play this part, and basically told people about a set of events in the future which everyone can look at and say, "yeah, I could see that happening." Now, a lot of stuff he was talking about is starting to come to pass - if you take his vague generalizations and hints, and apply them to situations currently going on - but again, they are events which are simply political/social inevitabilities. This is going to be a world war three. THere will probably be a civil war. There's going to be a massive loss of human life. Two steps forward, one step back just like it's been since, oh, the beginning of time. I wouldn't give the guy too much credit, but it's certainly an entertaining read. You can find his collected words here: http://www.johntitor.compeace
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+ Kinjo - Possible Time Travel? Jul 12 2006, 05:32 PM Vagrant Dreamer That said, I for one do intend to be living somewh... Jul 13 2006, 05:35 PM Alafair What you're experiencing is linear time.
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I think multi-vectoral time travel is only physic... Jul 14 2006, 06:31 PM Zahaqiel I'd just like to pipe up here.
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A virtual black hole is attained by smashing char... Jul 20 2006, 07:20 AM Acid09 Even if you could produce a worm hole that connect... Jul 26 2006, 01:18 PM Zugzwang Even if you could produce a worm hole that connect... Aug 6 2006, 11:20 AM Alafair I think that time travel is a very real considerat... Jul 26 2006, 01:38 PM Zahaqiel
I've always wondered about this - I've be... Jul 27 2006, 11:40 PM Alafair This is my first post on these forums, hi!
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Interesting point. I still speculate that regard... Aug 10 2006, 01:21 PM Zugzwang Imagine if one day we could transmute consciousnes... Nov 10 2006, 08:17 AM ClockKeeper Wormholes and Portals are the only current known w... Nov 10 2006, 02:23 PM
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