Evoking Living People. Options

I was wondering if anyone had ever tried to evoke a living person wile useing their signature as the sigil. Just out of curiosity and for the sake of theory could this even be done? Perhaps you would evoke their higher self , or their astral body.

There is a working popularly used in javanese kejawen tradition called "tarik sukmo" lit. means "soul pulling" where you enter a meditative trance state and with a specific technique/ritual to retrieve the consciousness of the target (even a person you've never met before). The target consciousness would be present in your consciousness where you'll be able to question them whatever you want and they're somehow obliged to tell you the truth. From the information I have, you can retrieve or invoke their consciousness/copy of astral body when they're asleep or even when they're awake. When they're awake while "tarik sukmo" is being used on them, their physical body and mind will tend to wonder (daydream) and won't notice somebody is retrieving information from them. Unless the target have psychic sensitivity they won't even notice or remember a thing.

The idea is a interesting one.

Though similar things have happened, in different fashions, even unwittingly, or at least been imagined.

A interesting fictional account of what one might consider a evocation of a living person takes place in Fortune's (,Dion) Moon Magic, within the first 70 pgs or so.

"...having a material anchor in the form of a body, an individual cannot be conjured in this fashion if they don't want it."

Reminds me of another work by Fortune in her The Secrets of Dr. Taverner. "The Subletting of the Mansion" I think is the one.

Work of this nature would be simple enough to do on unwilling participants, Lord knows there are plenty of ways to develop the "astral links" needed in the information age ( especially through photographs on blogs, bios, etc ).

Although for a willing participant I think there are plenty of naive persons willing to leap right into the fray, though I wouldn't recommend this sort of experimenting with what one might consider "spiritually infantile" individuals.

Perhaps if a person had at the very v. least a humble background of daily ritual practice ( the LBRP for at least a few months, perhaps some depth/psychoanalyitic therapy even ), then it would be a safer for you to prod their "astral shells".

I understand wanting to experiment with persons which you are not closely familiar with, but you would have to understand the reluctance of persons to willingly subject themselves to this sort of thing.

Of course this practice has more then enough worthwhile aims for the ethically invalid, but what would be the real purpose for persons who might consider themselves more upright? Not going holier then thou and perhaps I'm just short-sighted, but seriously why would you really desire to evoke a living [consenting] person? To interrogate them? You can do that in their waking hours, right next to them and if they are interested in letting you know, they will.

Interesting topic all the same,
Nick

Well, so far I think that some of the positive uses, or shall I say reasons, for this practice is in it's objective, unobstructed retrival of information which can run very deeply. The questions I asked my friends' spirits involved issues that I know them to have problems with. When we talked about the information I recieved, it opened the door to a process of deeper self-examination towards a better understanding of how they unconsciously hold themselves back, berate themselves, circumvent commitment to goals, etc. For some people, especially those not making a life-path out of self-observation, issues like that are hard to pinpoint. Sometimes people don't want to look a the negative parts of themselves, or want to lay the blame for their problems elsewhere. Sometimes something is wrong, but you don't know what it is, or your unconscious mind is unwilling to give you the information you're looking for because you don't think you're ready to confront it. This technique can, it seems, help to circumvent that, or offer external confirmation of things we have considered, but didn't accept. External confirmation is very, very important to the average person.

So, the good reasons for doing it are, as with most magickal practice, those involving growth and self-realization.

The list of negative reasons is significantly longer, as per usual.

peace

Well, so far I think that some of the positive uses, or shall I say reasons, for this practice is in it's objective, unobstructed retrival of information which can run very deeply. The questions I asked my friends' spirits involved issues that I know them to have problems with. When we talked about the information I recieved, it opened the door to a process of deeper self-examination towards a better understanding of how they unconsciously hold themselves back, berate themselves, circumvent commitment to goals, etc. For some people, especially those not making a life-path out of self-observation, issues like that are hard to pinpoint. Sometimes people don't want to look a the negative parts of themselves, or want to lay the blame for their problems elsewhere. Sometimes something is wrong, but you don't know what it is, or your unconscious mind is unwilling to give you the information you're looking for because you don't think you're ready to confront it. This technique can, it seems, help to circumvent that, or offer external confirmation of things we have considered, but didn't accept. External confirmation is very, very important to the average person.

So, the good reasons for doing it are, as with most magickal practice, those involving growth and self-realization.

The list of negative reasons is significantly longer, as per usual.

peace

Now I can commend that.

Do you have any formal training in Psychology/Counseling yourself?