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A_Smoking_Fox
post Mar 29 2005, 12:22 PM
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I'm building an earth pentacle to use in my rituals, but i have some doubts on its creation.

I'm building it around 6 inches, out of some wood boards i glued together.

I read in "Modern Magick" by "Kraig" that it is better to be concave, because this would direct the energy directly back to the one who sent it, in case of an attack.

I really don't agree to that, as i don't see how anything reflects back to its origin on something concave differently from something flat. I also don't understand why it has to be used against attacks, as it is obviously meant as a defensive weapon, or a shield. And a shield is definitely not concave, more the opposite.
It just doesn't add up, Kraig's theory, and it leaves me confused...

Could anyone give me some advise on this.
Also, the origin of the god names that are meant to go around it are not given in Kraig's book, I would like to know them to. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


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post Aug 15 2006, 07:39 PM
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Smoking Fox,

First of all, nice work on the pentacle. I like the color and the brush work on the lettering. Very cool.
When I first got involved in CM Donald Kraigs book was my first read as well. I spent about six months following his instructions to the letter before I started searching the net and getting in touch with all the other sources out there(this was when the net was pretty new and didn't go beyond a 28.8bp conection)loll
. Kraig is cool and all, but I'd say he's best used as a primer course for the serious CM worker. That's just my opinion though.
I feel that no single author can truly sum up and present a good course in Cm in one book. Kraig is cool like I said, but I'd suggest using him as a jumping off point. For me, there is a core library of CM books that are most important.
Regardie's Tree of Life.
Gershom Sholem's Kabalah translation,
Scott Cunningham's Incense Oil and Brews (yes this is low magick, but I like it because he gives a clear explanation of natural energies. I started also with Cunn. so I'm biased. Sue me.lol
Denning and Philips Mysteria Magica book 3
Crowleys 777

The last of that list isn't really instructional in the traditional sense, but it has just about every correspondance you could think of though. lol
But yah, it can get a bit expensive learning CM. I will say though, it is worth it. I've since moved on from traditional CM to the Simonicon and Sumerology, but my roots will always be in this area of the occult and therefor my first love.
I think my best advice though would be, Don't take the rules too seriously. Do what you think is best for you. As a Sorcerer would say, 'The power is in you, not the tools.'
Throughout the history of CM it has seemed to me(again,my opinion) that far too many formulas and rules and strictures have been placed on the CM magician. At least in the sense of making these things unbreakable. As long as you follow the energies of a working, or spirit, the ritual should come out fine. Use what you wish of the CM literature, but don't be afraid to experiment. In the end, just follow your gut. If something seems wrong to you, don't do it. Do what seems cool with you. But that's just my opinion and experience on things. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif) lol


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A_Smoking_Fox   Weapon of Earth - Pentacle   Mar 29 2005, 12:22 PM
Nero   You are right to doubt Kraig's shape. I am n...   Mar 29 2005, 04:34 PM
Athena   For the pentacle I would recommend that if concave...   Mar 29 2005, 07:46 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   so i should use a hexagram too, instead of a penta...   Mar 30 2005, 02:53 AM
fiat_lux_777   93 There is something to be said for understand...   Mar 30 2005, 04:24 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   That is good info fiat_lux_777, now i know the mea...   Mar 30 2005, 06:08 AM
Nero   :goodposting: I do have one issue with your t...   Mar 30 2005, 09:12 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   Another question, where can one learn these corres...   Mar 30 2005, 12:14 PM
Nero   Bear in mind there are a lot of different system...   Mar 30 2005, 12:54 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   I have regardie's garden of pomegranates and r...   Mar 30 2005, 02:39 PM
Nero   Yes actually that is not a bad idea. I will come...   Mar 30 2005, 02:54 PM
fiat_lux_777   Now I agree 100% with the rest of your definitio...   Mar 31 2005, 05:55 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   anyway, thanks for the advise. i finished coloring...   Mar 31 2005, 09:27 AM
The White Chaos   anyway, thanks for the advise. i finished coloring...   May 29 2006, 05:55 PM
BrotherM   All thats left now is to add your name, nice work ...   Jun 17 2005, 03:45 PM
Sebastianus   93! would it make sense to use a unicursal h...   Oct 11 2005, 06:52 PM
animus   93! would it make sense to use a unicursal h...   May 21 2006, 03:50 AM
The White Chaos   I guess the concave shape follows "Bowl Logic...   May 21 2006, 12:15 AM
Arcangle90   Very nice earth pentacle. I've always thought...   Jun 8 2006, 06:06 AM
Eroscupidonamor   IT is an wonderfull pentacle... but not many know ...   Aug 15 2006, 04:21 PM
FraterTMPC   IT is an wonderfull pentacle... but not many know ...   Aug 15 2006, 04:50 PM
Eroscupidonamor   well the way that i got my information is quiet lo...   Aug 15 2006, 06:51 PM
Eroscupidonamor   I do not much agree with Serafim... Well let's...   Aug 16 2006, 05:21 AM
Angalor   I do not much agree with Serafim... Well let's...   Aug 16 2006, 08:25 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   i kindly thank you for apreciating my handy work. ...   Aug 16 2006, 08:56 AM
Eroscupidonamor   for the ceremonialists is clear that the jurney to...   Aug 16 2006, 10:57 AM
Angalor   for the ceremonialists is clear that the jurney to...   Aug 16 2006, 12:02 PM
Eroscupidonamor   The thing is that is not a question of dependence ...   Aug 16 2006, 06:58 PM
Angalor   The thing is that is not a question of dependence ...   Aug 17 2006, 07:59 AM
Eroscupidonamor   I am sorry I got you angry...that was not my inten...   Aug 17 2006, 08:27 AM
Angalor   I am sorry I got you angry...that was not my inten...   Aug 17 2006, 08:43 AM
Mchawi   Old topic but... Shouldn't tools etc represen...   Mar 1 2008, 11:20 AM
Sinister   Ok. Yeah - old topic. Still... I've been thin...   Jul 30 2008, 08:38 AM
iampagan   Well, let's put aside the nessessity of using ...   Sep 17 2008, 05:36 AM
Zosimo   I read through this interesting thread on the eart...   Sep 17 2008, 06:43 AM
iampagan   Thanks for the info. Could you say something more...   Sep 17 2008, 07:50 AM
Dyknowsore   I have a question. What should the back of an Ear...   Nov 30 2008, 02:26 PM
iampagan   Well, I'm almost sure that what Kraig meant (a...   Dec 1 2008, 02:12 AM

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