QUOTE(Eroscupidonamor @ Aug 16 2006, 07:58 PM)
The thing is that is not a question of dependence ,but a question of the reality of the experiments....
In low magic you can substitute the athame for the index finger but in high magic you can not...why?
Because metals have this ability of cutting the astral bodies so in an evocation the metalic protection of the athame or of the sword of Solomon is REAL...
again the tools,after the COMPLETE consacration,charching,etc...have the power to work themselves without needing the concentration of the mage,but only his intent...
now,lets see: you tell me that without the tools you can give psichic energy for the materialisation of a spirit,in the same time sustain a cercle of protection,in the same time comunicate with the spirit! well?
*sighs* Oh brother...
First off, you're assuming I'm doing one type of magick when I haven't even specified as to what I do! Please don't make assumptions, it tends to make people angry.
Second. Where in the hell did I specify that I was talking about evocation in general? If you go back and actually read my posts I said no such thing about evoking anything. I'm talking about magick in GENERAL.
Third. Why the hell not? Are you saying that people aren't able to do this? That they need the 'tools' in order to accomplish ANYTHING? That without them we can NOT work magick? That 'Higher' Magick is that much stronger than 'Low' Magick that it "needs" tools in order to do ANYTHING? Are you saying that YOU can't work without tools? You know..When Aleister was in the triangle of art and then attacked his apprentice, he was defeated with an 'astral' sword. His apprentice was able to keep up the circle AND use a sword made of pure energy...not an actual sword, now how about that (IMG:
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Page 529 of Modern Magick.
"As a standard tool, such as the dagger used for the LBRP, you can use your index finger or both the index and middle finger....
Don't let the inaccessibility of magickal tools prevent you from doing rituals. Don't wait until you have that perfect Air Dagger to do a ritual. Use a butter knife or a fan *gasp*....If you don't have a water chalice made of glass, get one of pewter. Or stainless steel. Or silver plate. Or wood. Or use a large sea shell. Or use a paper styrofoam cup."
Or heck, why don't you just improvise! You know last months issue of llewellyn's they had an article about a Magician that got stranded on a deserted island with NO tools..you could win $150 in books if you wrote a ritual for him to get off the island, but remember..he had NO tools..*ahem*
Need I continue? Hmm..Me thinks I do..
"All magickal tools are helpers. The magick is not in them, it is in YOU. As I've written before, "Magick is not something you do, magick is something you ARE."
Fourth. I think we're getting a little off topic.
Smoking Fox..very good! I've made my own pentacle out of birch (though I have to admit, I'm not really all that good at the precise measurements). Might I ask, how did you go about getting it so ..precise? Mine has a tendency to come out a little...lopsided.
This post has been edited by Angalor: Aug 17 2006, 08:00 AM