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A_Smoking_Fox
post Mar 29 2005, 12:22 PM
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I'm building an earth pentacle to use in my rituals, but i have some doubts on its creation.

I'm building it around 6 inches, out of some wood boards i glued together.

I read in "Modern Magick" by "Kraig" that it is better to be concave, because this would direct the energy directly back to the one who sent it, in case of an attack.

I really don't agree to that, as i don't see how anything reflects back to its origin on something concave differently from something flat. I also don't understand why it has to be used against attacks, as it is obviously meant as a defensive weapon, or a shield. And a shield is definitely not concave, more the opposite.
It just doesn't add up, Kraig's theory, and it leaves me confused...

Could anyone give me some advise on this.
Also, the origin of the god names that are meant to go around it are not given in Kraig's book, I would like to know them to. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


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post Aug 16 2006, 06:58 PM
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The thing is that is not a question of dependence ,but a question of the reality of the experiments....
In low magic you can substitute the athame for the index finger but in high magic you can not...why?
Because metals have this ability of cutting the astral bodies so in an evocation the metalic protection of the athame or of the sword of Solomon is REAL...
again the tools,after the COMPLETE consacration,charching,etc...have the power to work themselves without needing the concentration of the mage,but only his intent...

now,lets see: you tell me that without the tools you can give psichic energy for the materialisation of a spirit,in the same time sustain a cercle of protection,in the same time comunicate with the spirit! well?


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post Aug 17 2006, 07:59 AM
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QUOTE(Eroscupidonamor @ Aug 16 2006, 07:58 PM) *
The thing is that is not a question of dependence ,but a question of the reality of the experiments....
In low magic you can substitute the athame for the index finger but in high magic you can not...why?
Because metals have this ability of cutting the astral bodies so in an evocation the metalic protection of the athame or of the sword of Solomon is REAL...
again the tools,after the COMPLETE consacration,charching,etc...have the power to work themselves without needing the concentration of the mage,but only his intent...

now,lets see: you tell me that without the tools you can give psichic energy for the materialisation of a spirit,in the same time sustain a cercle of protection,in the same time comunicate with the spirit! well?


*sighs* Oh brother...

First off, you're assuming I'm doing one type of magick when I haven't even specified as to what I do! Please don't make assumptions, it tends to make people angry.

Second. Where in the hell did I specify that I was talking about evocation in general? If you go back and actually read my posts I said no such thing about evoking anything. I'm talking about magick in GENERAL.

Third. Why the hell not? Are you saying that people aren't able to do this? That they need the 'tools' in order to accomplish ANYTHING? That without them we can NOT work magick? That 'Higher' Magick is that much stronger than 'Low' Magick that it "needs" tools in order to do ANYTHING? Are you saying that YOU can't work without tools? You know..When Aleister was in the triangle of art and then attacked his apprentice, he was defeated with an 'astral' sword. His apprentice was able to keep up the circle AND use a sword made of pure energy...not an actual sword, now how about that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif).

Page 529 of Modern Magick.

"As a standard tool, such as the dagger used for the LBRP, you can use your index finger or both the index and middle finger....
Don't let the inaccessibility of magickal tools prevent you from doing rituals. Don't wait until you have that perfect Air Dagger to do a ritual. Use a butter knife or a fan *gasp*....If you don't have a water chalice made of glass, get one of pewter. Or stainless steel. Or silver plate. Or wood. Or use a large sea shell. Or use a paper styrofoam cup."

Or heck, why don't you just improvise! You know last months issue of llewellyn's they had an article about a Magician that got stranded on a deserted island with NO tools..you could win $150 in books if you wrote a ritual for him to get off the island, but remember..he had NO tools..*ahem*

Need I continue? Hmm..Me thinks I do..

"All magickal tools are helpers. The magick is not in them, it is in YOU. As I've written before, "Magick is not something you do, magick is something you ARE."

Fourth. I think we're getting a little off topic.

Smoking Fox..very good! I've made my own pentacle out of birch (though I have to admit, I'm not really all that good at the precise measurements). Might I ask, how did you go about getting it so ..precise? Mine has a tendency to come out a little...lopsided.

This post has been edited by Angalor: Aug 17 2006, 08:00 AM


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A_Smoking_Fox   Weapon of Earth - Pentacle   Mar 29 2005, 12:22 PM
Nero   You are right to doubt Kraig's shape. I am n...   Mar 29 2005, 04:34 PM
Athena   For the pentacle I would recommend that if concave...   Mar 29 2005, 07:46 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   so i should use a hexagram too, instead of a penta...   Mar 30 2005, 02:53 AM
fiat_lux_777   93 There is something to be said for understand...   Mar 30 2005, 04:24 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   That is good info fiat_lux_777, now i know the mea...   Mar 30 2005, 06:08 AM
Nero   :goodposting: I do have one issue with your t...   Mar 30 2005, 09:12 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   Another question, where can one learn these corres...   Mar 30 2005, 12:14 PM
Nero   Bear in mind there are a lot of different system...   Mar 30 2005, 12:54 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   I have regardie's garden of pomegranates and r...   Mar 30 2005, 02:39 PM
Nero   Yes actually that is not a bad idea. I will come...   Mar 30 2005, 02:54 PM
fiat_lux_777   Now I agree 100% with the rest of your definitio...   Mar 31 2005, 05:55 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   anyway, thanks for the advise. i finished coloring...   Mar 31 2005, 09:27 AM
The White Chaos   anyway, thanks for the advise. i finished coloring...   May 29 2006, 05:55 PM
BrotherM   All thats left now is to add your name, nice work ...   Jun 17 2005, 03:45 PM
Sebastianus   93! would it make sense to use a unicursal h...   Oct 11 2005, 06:52 PM
animus   93! would it make sense to use a unicursal h...   May 21 2006, 03:50 AM
The White Chaos   I guess the concave shape follows "Bowl Logic...   May 21 2006, 12:15 AM
Arcangle90   Very nice earth pentacle. I've always thought...   Jun 8 2006, 06:06 AM
Eroscupidonamor   IT is an wonderfull pentacle... but not many know ...   Aug 15 2006, 04:21 PM
FraterTMPC   IT is an wonderfull pentacle... but not many know ...   Aug 15 2006, 04:50 PM
Eroscupidonamor   well the way that i got my information is quiet lo...   Aug 15 2006, 06:51 PM
Seraphim   Smoking Fox, First of all, nice work on the...   Aug 15 2006, 07:39 PM
Eroscupidonamor   I do not much agree with Serafim... Well let's...   Aug 16 2006, 05:21 AM
Angalor   I do not much agree with Serafim... Well let's...   Aug 16 2006, 08:25 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   i kindly thank you for apreciating my handy work. ...   Aug 16 2006, 08:56 AM
Eroscupidonamor   for the ceremonialists is clear that the jurney to...   Aug 16 2006, 10:57 AM
Angalor   for the ceremonialists is clear that the jurney to...   Aug 16 2006, 12:02 PM
Eroscupidonamor   I am sorry I got you angry...that was not my inten...   Aug 17 2006, 08:27 AM
Angalor   I am sorry I got you angry...that was not my inten...   Aug 17 2006, 08:43 AM
Mchawi   Old topic but... Shouldn't tools etc represen...   Mar 1 2008, 11:20 AM
Sinister   Ok. Yeah - old topic. Still... I've been thin...   Jul 30 2008, 08:38 AM
iampagan   Well, let's put aside the nessessity of using ...   Sep 17 2008, 05:36 AM
Zosimo   I read through this interesting thread on the eart...   Sep 17 2008, 06:43 AM
iampagan   Thanks for the info. Could you say something more...   Sep 17 2008, 07:50 AM
Dyknowsore   I have a question. What should the back of an Ear...   Nov 30 2008, 02:26 PM
iampagan   Well, I'm almost sure that what Kraig meant (a...   Dec 1 2008, 02:12 AM

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