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BloodArchon
post Aug 13 2006, 04:36 AM
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I am curious, not because I am a satanist but because I really would want to do this. I always here of people (usually satanists) selling their souls or making a pact with a demon or something but is it possible for another human to infact give away their soul to another? My reasons for wanting to know your opinion are quite private but I just am wondering what you think.


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post Aug 25 2006, 06:39 AM
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Interesting, while i t think reprogramming someones soul is possible, it is not the same as completely stealing it or removing it from the person.
A soul stolen does not equal a reprogrammed person, all that is left in wake of the persons soul is a void, a black empty soulles void.

personally, i believe the soul is the combination of your magickal will and the energy behind it. The very essence that enables one to use any sort of magick.
It is that flow of energy you feel when practising magick. The source of mana, chi, ki, or whatever name you give magickal energy. To steal it from someone else will highten your own capabilities to direct magickal energy. And leave the person without a soul incapable of performing any magick, since there is no director left to perform the magick.

It is a very hard thing to do, becouse you actually kill a person when you steal its soul :
After the stealing the flesh left behind becomes a biological machine, nothing more. Thinking and acting only with the brain, or the body. After death of the flesh the person is no more, he ceases to exist becouse no soul is left to seed a new body.

Naturally this would be realy dark magick, with severe unescapable karma punishment involved.

However, one would not get the karma from the person's soul who's stolen. In fact, becouse of the act of having its soul stolen, or removed. All karma for that soul would be removed, thanks to the evil it just experienced. When bad is done upon you, your karma gets a positive balance thanks to it, at least thats what i think.
Even if it is not that case, it is the stealers soul who is guiding his direction in life, the stolen soul is just a puppet, a source of food for the stealer, wheter or not it has karma does not even matter for the stealer. Its karma means nothing compared to the bad karma balance the stealer just aquired anyway.

I would advise at doing such a thing, since there is not much gain from it. After the theft you would be fighting your own karma effects for the rest of your existance in all your next lives, and this live. There are better ways to aquire power if you need it. Messing with peoples souls, or lives, is the darkest magick you can possibly do.

But i do think it is possible. if enough ritual, intent, and magickal will is present during the ritual to cause such an effect.


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BloodArchon   Stealing Souls   Aug 13 2006, 04:36 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   I am curious, not because I am a satanist but beca...   Aug 13 2006, 09:49 AM
BloodArchon   Hahaha, thank you. But first off allow me to dispe...   Aug 13 2006, 01:42 PM
Angalor   Hahaha, thank you. But first off allow me to dispe...   Aug 13 2006, 04:14 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Hahaha, thank you. But first off allow me to dispe...   Aug 13 2006, 04:50 PM
Beast   Hahaha, thank you. But first off allow me to dispe...   Jan 22 2007, 12:09 AM
Edunpanna   Greetings everyone, As I stated back in post 43 o...   Feb 2 2007, 09:35 PM
Alafair   [size=3][font=Verdana]Selling of souls is not an o...   Aug 14 2006, 02:18 AM
BloodArchon   Thank you for your opinions! :kicking: I am no...   Aug 14 2006, 07:53 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   Thank you for your opinions! :kicking: I am no...   Aug 14 2006, 12:19 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   I do not know for a fact vagrant dreamer that th...   Aug 15 2006, 06:37 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   I do not know for a fact vagrant dreamer that this...   Aug 15 2006, 10:33 AM
BloodArchon   My definition of a soul is the entity in side us t...   Aug 15 2006, 04:15 PM
Eroscupidonamor   Selling the soul,is selling your identity,your fre...   Aug 16 2006, 07:33 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   in that way, with enough energy i think it is poss...   Aug 16 2006, 09:06 AM
BloodArchon   That sounds very interesting...lol unfortunetly my...   Aug 17 2006, 04:35 PM
Wanderer   Perhaps you heard of this: Some guy was selling hi...   Aug 21 2006, 08:29 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   that is a form of ritual work you developed for ...   Aug 22 2006, 05:46 AM
diana   if 'soul' defined here is purpose(idea) or...   Aug 22 2006, 09:49 AM
BloodArchon   if 'soul' defined here is purpose(idea) or...   Aug 23 2006, 09:27 PM
diana   i dont believe in whole soul stealing idea like we...   Aug 24 2006, 07:57 PM
diana   :goodposting:   Aug 25 2006, 10:12 AM
BloodArchon   :offtopic: You know I cant help to notice that you...   Aug 26 2006, 03:16 AM
Seronleithian   :offtopic: You know I cant help to notice that you...   Sep 14 2006, 10:39 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   you confuse karma with a human sense of right and ...   Aug 26 2006, 07:46 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   yeah, I know lots of people who don't believe ...   Aug 26 2006, 09:20 AM
BloodArchon   lol I see...by posting that last post I posted I a...   Aug 26 2006, 12:39 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   lol I see...by posting that last post I posted I a...   Aug 26 2006, 06:28 PM
BloodArchon   Your right vagrant, I totally agree with you on th...   Aug 28 2006, 05:34 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   one could say it is a choice for the person to bel...   Aug 29 2006, 12:04 PM
motsie   In terms of karma, let's discard the adjective...   Sep 15 2006, 12:20 AM
Enkidu   Stealing someone's soul is possible but involv...   Sep 19 2006, 08:45 AM
Alafair   Soul stealing nowadays is big business, but from w...   Sep 19 2006, 01:45 PM
DeathStalker   Satan doesn't steal souls. I haven't heard...   Nov 3 2006, 05:36 PM
Ashnook   Only a human would want to in my honest opinion. ...   Nov 3 2006, 01:59 PM
Suxur-Mash596   Anyone out there that does want to steal souls is ...   Nov 3 2006, 05:52 PM
Acid09   I tend to follow VagrantDreamer on this one. If t...   Nov 15 2006, 03:31 PM
BloodArchon   Hmmm lol since I have started this post my views a...   Nov 16 2006, 08:05 PM
DeathStalker   Hmmm lol since I have started this post my views a...   Nov 17 2006, 12:26 AM
BloodArchon   If you agree with what I believe I actually have c...   Nov 21 2006, 08:48 PM
levannah60   Look, I'm new here, but I couldn't resist ...   Nov 27 2006, 05:36 PM
BloodArchon   It's known that you have to collect these thin...   Nov 30 2006, 10:37 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Look, I'm new here, but I couldn't resist ...   Nov 30 2006, 10:57 PM
smasher666   Look, I'm new here, but I couldn't resist ...   Dec 1 2006, 12:02 AM
Xochipilli   Assuming youve given your soul/purpose over to som...   Dec 1 2006, 01:06 AM
smasher666   Greetings Xochipilli', Amphetamines and lack...   Dec 1 2006, 04:23 AM
Darkmage   My $2 after following this thread for a while...   Dec 1 2006, 06:23 AM
BloodArchon   He then said if I wanted to get rid of him I would...   Dec 2 2006, 01:23 AM
Enochian   Because it was not the devil it was a demon or neg...   Dec 2 2006, 06:34 PM
Giannis1972   Neophyte, Ego is the worst thing a magician could ...   Jan 19 2007, 04:11 AM
Enochian   I have yet to read the entire post. But i could no...   Jan 24 2007, 10:34 PM
Infinitus   You can steal a soul for purposes of good or for p...   Jan 25 2007, 12:38 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   You can steal a soul for purposes of good or for p...   Jan 25 2007, 11:30 AM
Enochian   I can only think of one Vagrant and its only myth....   Jan 25 2007, 02:27 PM
BloodArchon   Wha...? Let's consider that phrase for a secon...   Jan 29 2007, 04:49 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Well vagrant, what about someone who is already ev...   Jan 29 2007, 05:23 PM
Alafair   What it comes down to is that 'stealing' a...   Feb 2 2007, 04:56 AM
Enochian   Like a bullet.....lol Stealing a soul. I can give...   Jan 29 2007, 05:39 PM
Enochian   Jesus died for us, a bunch of murderers and betray...   Feb 2 2007, 02:16 PM
BloodArchon   Jesus died for us, a bunch of murderers and betray...   Feb 2 2007, 04:20 PM
Enochian   I appose christianity also but not god and not the...   Feb 2 2007, 04:46 PM
Acid09   Enochian becareful you don't come off as overl...   Feb 2 2007, 07:14 PM
Enochian   I believe the soul can be "infiltrated" ...   Feb 2 2007, 07:37 PM
MOLOCH   The term 'selling your soul' is an inventi...   Feb 12 2007, 01:08 PM
BloodArchon   :D Im happy I made you smile...well since I start...   Mar 12 2007, 10:42 PM

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