Tetragrammaton And Yhvh Options

Tetragrammaton and YHVH (yod heh vau heh) . . . .

I'm to understand that the reference "Tetragrammaton" and "YHVH" aren't necassarily the same thing.

Tetragrammaton is a greek word referring (occult-wise) to the four principal elemental components of the Divine Body
YHVH are the four-fold power of the body of the divine (GOD) in any particular manifest aspect. (a semetic/hebrew theological origin)

Is that right . . . the four-fold YaHoWaH and the (nearly barbarous name) Tetragrammaton aren't necassarily referring the the exact same concept ?

(this make sense in light of the Triangle of Art . . . though I'm not using the archangelic binding/controlling formula, only the three greek barbarous names of manifestation)

This post has been edited by palindroem: Aug 27 2006, 11:54 AM

That's an interesting idea Palindroem and I definitely admire your inquisitive spirit.

But like most others here I've always heard that Tetragrammaton and YHVH were the same thing. Why? Because you were allowed to pronounce ADNI and AGLA and othe godnames but YHVH was "unpronouncable"...either because it was forbidden or because no one knows the "true" prounciation (this is according to tradition of course).

So I'm just curious but where did you first get the idea that the Tetragrammation and YHVH were different? What evidence have you found to support this?

It seems like an interesting concept and I'd like to know more.

That's an interesting idea Palindroem and I definitely admire your inquisitive spirit.

But like most others here I've always heard that Tetragrammaton and YHVH were the same thing. Why? Because you were allowed to pronounce ADNI and AGLA and othe godnames but YHVH was "unpronouncable"...either because it was forbidden or because no one knows the "true" prounciation (this is according to tradition of course).

So I'm just curious but where did you first get the idea that the Tetragrammation and YHVH were different? What evidence have you found to support this?

It seems like an interesting concept and I'd like to know more.

Well, I think we were all taught in "Western Magickal Tradition and Kabalah - 101" that YHVH and Tetragrammaton were to be assumed to be the same thing. And I think that was all well and good . . . as an introductory concept, its usefull to associate occult concepts on a fairly simple level. Of course, we all eventually (have or will) reach a point that YHVH has many levels of meaning and applicable aspect . . . not all of them are always "simply" congruent.

And that for the Jewish, speaking the name YHVH is restricted to only one guy at one very specific time (and even then he might get
struck by an electric bolt from a golden Cherub. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lightning.gif) )

Fortunately, we're not Jewish (no offense meant).... we're (mostly) western magicians and can do things those religious folks can't (wouldnt, shouldn't, or just plain don't know to)

As for evidence . . . some of it would be distilled from a bit more then twenty years of studying occult sciences (which still only admits me just through the threshold of novice aspirant), some of it would be from research into the background of the Triangle of Art, some from degree work in Comparative Religion / Anthropology, and a bit from communication with my personal spirits (though I can't really give much more then I've have earlier in this thread).
I will try (and in some regards I expect to fail in fully explaining myself)

. . . . Greeks were Greeks, Israelite Jews were Isrealite Jews (geo-historically). And although there is a lot of cross-pollination of ideas between the cultures (particularly on concepts that seemed to be close matches) . . . each one often had their very own perspective; if not entirely intra-cultural concepts . . . no matter how similar they appeared in comparison.
But each did (often) borrow and adapt/adopt from each other.

I believe in three main aspects to mundane and metaphysical phenomenal reality....

• "Energy"
• Complexities (energys so tightly bound together in loops and lines as to constitue matter)
• Mind or Psyche (psychic energy) - this is in many respects the result of the interaction between Energy and Complexities

this is just my (current) model for dealing with and conducting my personal sorcerous work. My way of looking at generating, "programming", and sending magickal efforts / magickal energy / spirits.

A bit of my research on the Triangle of Art :
Anaphaxeton : (Energy) its greek components, or related greek words, seem to relate to reveal or appear, or to be brought to light. Or to First Appearence.
Primeumaton:(Mind) (although it may be a combination of greek and lating parts, and is a normal contraction) its greek components, or related greek words, seem to relate to thought or mind. Or First Thought
In keeping with a greco-centric interpertation . . .
Tetragrammaton : (Complexity)would seem to relate to the GREEK concept of the four elements or that thing that is a single vessle containing the four elements . . . the spirital "body" (not spiritual in a judao-xtain religious sense, but relating to spirits or entities in general)
"...Anphaneintai preumenous ap'ommaton" - Aeschylus

If Tetragrammaton always equals YHVH and since, as magicians, we use the written/spoken word YHVH . . . then why not simply replace every instance we find Tetragrammaton with the word YHVH. Why, ever, should we retain a second-hand reference to a specific power we're trying to "use".

(ok, thats my rant..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )

(I Know Nothing)


As a final note . . . again, I'm not suggesting that in all instances and all aspects Tetragrammaton and YHVH aren't referring to the same thing . . . I only care about this one aspect and use.
As a introductory lesson, I think its good that beginning students are given the Tetragrammaton = YHVH concept. It provides a nice, easily digested, stable concept platform for starting that aspect of magickal training. But, it is basic and simple . . . there is usually greater depth to esoteric concepts then thier inititial layer.

This post has been edited by palindroem: Sep 24 2006, 01:03 PM