The Watcher Bandar, Questions / Ask Here Experiances / Tell Here Options

Hello,

I am new to the Necronomicon and have been researching the tome for over three months. Since I am well-versed in Ceremonial Magick, I found the idea of the Watcher quite fascinating.

It is remarkable how the tome almost promises that this being will indeed show up after you invoke it--immediately after, that is. It says, "At this point the watcher WILL SURELY (emphasis added) come and WILL (emphasis added) stand outside the Gate or Circle until shuch time as he is given the lisence to depart etc" that is found on page 73 of the Simon Necronomicon.

It was also interesting to note that in some instances it will appear in the form of a "fierce dog" and that the presence of this being is to be feared. Since I have an understanding of the evocation of the spirits, one of the necessary components of a worthwhile evocation is making a connection with the spirit (in whatever way the magician sees fit). But in this case there really is no preparation at all. I mean, you call the Watcher and he appears or manifests after the magician makes the necessary preparations with the offerings etc.

My question is for those who have a deeper understanding of the Necronomicon. When you invoked the Watcher for the first time did he manifest slowly or show up immediately? In other words, did you have to call him up several times (as is the case with stubborn spirits) or did invoking him once do the trick? Is this an instance of magick where all one has to do is basically call forth the being and "beleive it to be there" (like is the case with archangelic invocations and calling forth the elements) or does the priest actually have to get it to physically manifest? In the case of archangelic invocations after some time their presence becomes very powerful, indeed. Does the Watcher manifest every time when invoked (is it a mechanic process)? Or does the Watcher need repeated conjurations or invocations to arrive? Is one reading of the invocation enough to get the Watcher to arrive or do you need to call it again and again to make sure "it's there physically?" Does the magician need an assurance of the presence of the Watcher or is just calling him and beleiving he is there sufficient enough? I mean, it's not necessarily an evocation. It's an invocation that can turn into an instance of an evocation. Fascinating! I would love to hear your thoughts and experiences.

I am still trying to understand the nature of these beings. Any help would be most appreciated.

Good day to you and yours,

Mr. Curi

Hello all:

1) Where do I strike the Watcher's sword, in between the circles or inside the inner circle? the Necronomicon says that the Agga Mass Ssaratu must be between the two circles facing NorthEast, but it also says care must be taken not to leave the inner circle in the middle of the incantation (I take this to mean my arms as well). However it says to strike the sword behind the Agga Mass Ssaratu (is this inside the inner circle?). I am confused... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

2) What is the purpose of the Watcher's sword? Am I providing a weapon for the Watcher to use? (In which case I would strike the sword in between the two circles since that's where he is), also does the dagger of Innana acompany me to the astral plane, to use against the Igigi?

3) In that case could I not consecrate a bow and arrows or even a gun to carry with me to the astral plane for battling the sipirts?

4) Are the brazier and Agga Mass Ssaratu the same? I am worried in case I need to burn offerings to the gods, incense, wax figures, etc. I dont want to cross the inner circle. Or are they separate and the brazier of calling is at the altar?

5) What do I do with the drawings og the North, East, South, West gates? do I draw them in the ground outside the circle or do I make them as small seals and hold them while I invode the cardinal directions?

6) What is the wand of Lapis lazuly for? It seems important as one of the 50, Dumuduku, is the holder of one..

Thanks,

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1) Where do I strike the Watcher's sword, in between the circles or inside the inner circle?
In betweern the circles between the inner circle and the bowl the bowl should then be in between the sword and outer circle.

It is used to summon Bandar. Yes it and the Dagger can be used in the astral against demons. Iron / steel can also slay a demon / Jinn in the physical if you can get a good hit on one. This is widespread occult belief.

3) In that case could I not consecrate a bow and arrows or even a gun to carry with me to the astral plane for battling the sipirts?

I have never been able to use a gun in the astral. If you visit the gate God Nanna he will give you weapons such as bow and arrow.

4) Are the brazier and Agga Mass Ssaratu the same? I am worried in case I need to burn offerings to the gods, incense, wax figures, etc. I dont want to cross the inner circle. Or are they separate and the brazier of calling is at the altar?

No the 4 braziers are for the directional gates. Dnt worry about crossing the inner circle just do not cross the outer.

5) What do I do with the drawings og the North, East, South, West gates? do I draw them in the ground outside the circle or do I make them as small seals and hold them while I invode the cardinal directions?

Put the seals underneath or in front of the 4 directional braziers.
Peace