Tetragrammaton And Yhvh Options

Tetragrammaton and YHVH (yod heh vau heh) . . . .

I'm to understand that the reference "Tetragrammaton" and "YHVH" aren't necassarily the same thing.

Tetragrammaton is a greek word referring (occult-wise) to the four principal elemental components of the Divine Body
YHVH are the four-fold power of the body of the divine (GOD) in any particular manifest aspect. (a semetic/hebrew theological origin)

Is that right . . . the four-fold YaHoWaH and the (nearly barbarous name) Tetragrammaton aren't necassarily referring the the exact same concept ?

(this make sense in light of the Triangle of Art . . . though I'm not using the archangelic binding/controlling formula, only the three greek barbarous names of manifestation)

This post has been edited by palindroem: Aug 27 2006, 11:54 AM

There is no room for authority in occultism?!?!?!?!?!
I felt a liittle targeted by the sentence...
My answer is this: if you are a ceremonial magician authority is very important... if you are a chaoti authority is nothing because all is allowed...
Now, if authority would not be important you can deny the authority of the claviculas, of Goetia, even the reality of the power of the Art Triangle that you have studied! You can invent other tools... you can use for example some cheese in stead of an athame to draw the pentagrams of the Lbrp... than you can invoke Lucifer with this invocation: "' Behold! This is the mighty cheese! I conjure thee Lucifer by the power of the cheese!"' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Now... again with the Tetragrammaton stuff: the logic is simple: please read the talmud and you will see from where the great respect of the hebrew for the sacred YhVh... Read a little history too: you will see that at the beginnig of the christian era jews from the Greek space, were having a greek culture... so magic from that time should have some greek influences... Tetragrammaton is one of them... The name jesus is another: i mean you do not really pray with Joshua or Yehoshua... you say a very greek like Jesus... Iesous!
For the question of why we do not change back with Yhvh ... well the answer is simple : why repair something that works perfectly?!

Since you believe that Tetragrammaton means more than Yhvh...(ahih,theos,adni etc) , i can say that you say something like: Tetragramaton means more than God : ir also means God. GOd, God.etc!!
Again if you read historians from the first christian centuries you will find a couple of situassions when they declare something like this: the sacred tetragram was spoken ince a year , in the day of Yom Kippur by the high priest in the Holy Sanctuary... It is clear that it could not mean nothing else... because the other names were spoken by jews...

Authority is very important in ceremonial magic... is the basis of conjuration : I conjure thee... by the authority of Thee...! Ecce pentaculum Salomoni! by his authority exorcizo igitur te creatura...

See, you can not just change the rules (if you are a ceremonialist,other change them like the chaoti but we are talking about the triangle of art wich is a ceremonial instrument...)... You can not just accept some authority, and some not...just because we do not seem to understand some things. we are limited by the limits of speculation...practice is the only proof...

(p.s. i excuse myself for the little acid tone...please forgive me... again is my opinion,, i do not need aprouval,plus i love to be criticized... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif) )

"There is no room for authority in occultism" - Dion Forutne . . . (ηλίθιος γάιδαρος ) . . .
( don't feel just a little targeted, your tone is unnecassarily authoritarian)
....... I couldn't really care about the rest of your post . . . its overly dogmatic for my taste.

(p.s. i excuse myself for the little acid tone...please forgive me... again is my opinion,, i do not need aprouval,plus i love to be criticized... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif) )

This post has been edited by palindroem: Sep 27 2006, 05:29 AM