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post Aug 27 2006, 11:53 AM
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Tetragrammaton and YHVH (yod heh vau heh) . . . .

I'm to understand that the reference "Tetragrammaton" and "YHVH" aren't necassarily the same thing.

Tetragrammaton is a greek word referring (occult-wise) to the four principal elemental components of the Divine Body
YHVH are the four-fold power of the body of the divine (GOD) in any particular manifest aspect. (a semetic/hebrew theological origin)

Is that right . . . the four-fold YaHoWaH and the (nearly barbarous name) Tetragrammaton aren't necassarily referring the the exact same concept ?

(this make sense in light of the Triangle of Art . . . though I'm not using the archangelic binding/controlling formula, only the three greek barbarous names of manifestation)

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post Sep 27 2006, 11:26 PM
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Hello all:
I have always been curious about 'God'. Has he always been one entity?
I read that Abraham came from Ur (where Nannar, good of the moon was worshiped), I figure that's where the lunar elements of the jewish religion come from (a seven day week, lunar calendar). The cult to Nannar or Sin was eventually abandoned.

He arrived at Caanan and met the pantheon of gods in which El was the head of, the gods under him collectively called the Elohim. From this a multitude of personal names and place names start or end with 'El' which was represented as a bull.

Interestingly enough Yam and Baal were his sons or underlings. From that we get the Baal (or lord) cults. And a multitude of personal names with Baal (some later chaged by bible redactors to Bath or 'shame' when it was no longer politically correct due to monoteism)

Then out of nowhere, Moses (with means 'brings forth') and it is a chopped or incomplete name as the god's name has been eliminated (instead or Ra-moses or Tut-moses etc) brings the cult of Ya-weh (based on this shouldnt his name be Ya-moses?). Personal names from then on start using the Ya root, as Ya-shua etc. Mika-ya instead of Mika-el etc.

So who is this Ya god? First he bocomes a part of El's entourage (I think one of the Psamls says something about Yah joining the Elohim) and then replaces the Elohim and El himself to become the head (and only member) of the pantheon.

Apparently even Moses' brother Aaron got cought up in the riddle since he made a golden effigy of god as a bull (He naturally assumed it was El, represented as a bull). Moses was so upset he had 3000 of 'El's followers killed, although he forgave his brother. This to me says that Yah and El are NOT one and the same and they represent different deities, specially since no effigies were allowed to be made of it, and it name was hidden (under penalty of death) the only ones allowed to know the name of the god were the High priests. Unortunately centuries later they were killed and now we dont know the name or pronunciation of Moses's god.

I've read somewhere that 'I am' is pronounced in early hebrew as 'ersh' or something like that and that god's name pronunciation was very similar to it. So that when asked for its name by Moses he responded 'I am ersh' as a play in words. Not understanding, the bible redactors wrote 'I am who I am'. Another example is 'tell them 'I am' sent them' which makes less sense than for example 'tell them 'ersh' sent them'. Its and interesting theory and I would like to know your thoughts on it. As it would indicate the proper vocalization and vowels for the name of god.

Another theory is that Yaweh was a sun god, based on Josephus's repudiation of common tales at the time (~ 30 AD). He strongly repudiated the notion that Moses had been a priest at Heliopolis (sun god temple), but at least gave us some idea of the ideas floating at the time.

I have read as well another theory, that being that the sumerian god Enki, or Ea is the same as Ya, based on parallels of their actions (Saving Noah form the flood, creating humanity etc) and the phonetic similarities.

In all of these cases one could probalby explain an correspondance to Ya or Yah but what about the other letters like Vh. What are they supposed to mean?, are they an epitheth (like 'the creator') or are they part of the name of the god itself? any brainstroming on the subject would be welcome.

Sorry for the rambling post, but all of your comments sparked ideas and reminded me of interesting stuff I've read on the past.

P.S. AGLA is another acronym, does anyone remember what it stands for?

P.S.S. Does anyone know of a good resource (book or site) listing the frequency of ussage of El' Ya' or Baal' etc in personal names and locations for given periods in the Caanaite/Israel area?

P.S.S.S the common 'Hallelu-ya' means praise be to Ya.

P.S.S.S.S: I have always come across in everythin I've read that the tetragamaton is Yhyh, just my two cents.

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palindroem   Tetragrammaton And Yhvh   Aug 27 2006, 11:53 AM
My Future Self   I've never heard the word Tetragrammaton refer...   Aug 27 2006, 03:30 PM
Eroscupidonamor   Indeed Tetragrammaton is YHVH and nothing else.......   Aug 27 2006, 07:04 PM
palindroem   Yes . . . I think I've heard something about t...   Aug 28 2006, 04:45 AM
Eroscupidonamor   Well ,I'm well awear about the Triangle of the...   Aug 28 2006, 06:53 AM
palindroem   Thanks for your reply. Although they didn't p...   Aug 28 2006, 06:28 PM
Arcangle90   It was my understanding that YHVH was the inneffab...   Aug 29 2006, 06:25 AM
palindroem   YHVH is certainly reserved in orthodox Judism for ...   Aug 29 2006, 03:08 PM
Nero   Interesting idea, although I have never heard anyo...   Sep 5 2006, 07:34 AM
smasher666   Interesting idea, although I have never heard anyo...   Sep 5 2006, 01:43 PM
palindroem   Interesting idea, although I have never heard anyo...   Sep 7 2006, 03:39 PM
Nero   I'm certainly not trying to suggest that Tetra...   Sep 13 2006, 08:27 AM
palindroem   I see what you mean with the circle comparison . ....   Sep 14 2006, 03:28 PM
WillowDarkWytch   Tetragrammaton means litteraly "Four lettered...   Sep 20 2006, 12:50 AM
palindroem   Thanks W . . . Academically, tetragrammaton transl...   Sep 21 2006, 02:30 PM
Siamese   That's an interesting idea Palindroem and I de...   Sep 23 2006, 03:01 PM
palindroem   That's an interesting idea Palindroem and I de...   Sep 24 2006, 12:58 PM
Siamese   Good post Palindroem. However my research on the ...   Sep 24 2006, 02:40 PM
palindroem   :)   Sep 25 2006, 07:15 PM
Eroscupidonamor   There is no room for authority in occultism?!?...   Sep 27 2006, 04:30 AM
palindroem   "There is no room for authority in occultism...   Sep 27 2006, 05:07 AM
Frater SI   Eroscupidonamor While i respect your purist atti...   Sep 27 2006, 08:09 AM
Eroscupidonamor   Yes... the limits to our magic are indeed our own....   Sep 27 2006, 09:02 AM
Frater SI   Interesting Theory :bigwink: AGLA is a notariqo...   Sep 28 2006, 01:51 AM
Siamese   It's true that we need some sort of Authority ...   Sep 28 2006, 01:55 AM
Frater SI   Siamese Well Put.. I always believe in Innovatio...   Sep 28 2006, 02:04 AM

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