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msm3391
post Sep 9 2006, 03:36 PM
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As long as I have been conscience of my of being, I have always heard that the Necronomicon was, well evil, satanistic material. ANd I am sure that the people who stated that are just ignorant, superstitious fanatics. Recently I have been really doing ceremonial, but the necronomicon looks interesting. I know I am just ignorant in this field but why do people say that this book is just no good? IN these forums, I have read that many people find this book useful, but if I use it am I going to end up going nuts or anything like that.

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Mike M.

ps. Dont be offended, anyone who reads this, for any reason.


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DarkGoddess
post Oct 19 2006, 06:39 PM
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My reading about the banishing is that the typical banishing rites don't work, not that there are no banishings that work. I don't mean to offend, but there are a lot of mealy-mouthed "systems" out there, that do not take the spirit realm very seriously, and are kind of the "Cosmo" version of magick/ritual. I have no doubt that such methods won't work on Nec entities. Nec entities (indeed, the deities and entities of MOST ancient religions) are to be taken FAR more seriously that the practitioners of "smorgasbord" magick do. indeed, the gods were much feared (as in both fear and reverence) by the worshippers of their time. Nec deities/entities are old, and darn well expect to be respected, and if you try to deal with them on the cutesy hocus-pocus level that you find so many "fashionable' practitioners seem to be at, you'll be seen as a fool, and they'll wipe the spirit world with you.

Smasher666 mentioned in another thread that he has met Ereshkigal and Nergal in his travels and they were quite nice to him. No doubt that he approached them with respect, not some "I command you to give me an 'A' on my philosophy exam' nonsense. The key to contact, and when necessary, banishing of entities seems to not just be confidence in oneself, but also to taking the system, and indeed the entities themselves, seriously..

Hope that wasn't too confused.


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Brother Lead and Sister Steel.
To his blind power I make appeal;
I guard her beauty clean from rust.

He spins and burns and loves the air,
And splits a skull to win my praise;
But up the nobly marching days
She glitters naked, cold and fair.

Sweet Sister, grant your soldier this;
That in good fury he may feel
The body where he sets his heel
Quail from your downward darting kiss.

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post Oct 19 2006, 07:29 PM
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Greetings Dark Goddess,

I totally agree the Ceremonial style evocations and banishings are foolish with the Necronomicon. I believe that any given system should be worked completely within that systems guidelines. Borrowing from here or there is border line Chaos magick and from my experiments years ago seemed only to piss off the Necronomicon forces. Calling one of the 50 names within a triangle and demanding in the names of God that he / she does your bidding is a recipe for disaster.

I also agree about respecting the spirits. No matter what diety or spirit is invoked there must be sacrifice. Before you do anything with the Necronomicon always conjure the fire god to light the fire. Then summon Bandar and perform the Agga mass ssaratu sacrifice. Now that we have a nice sacrifice going any spirits we call will be appeased.

I never bother to banish any of the 50 names nor do I bother with any banishing after evocation. I feed my Bandar the Agga Mass Ssaratu every night and instruct him to eat any demon or Malfick that comes within my home. After all this is one of the things Bandar is meant for.

Also I never banish Bandar. The mad arab hints that if you do not the Bandar will become so strong that you will not be able to control him. However Bandar is my friend and he is a very angelic type spirit. I do not wish to completely control him. He has permision to do anything he wants to do or go anywhere he wants to go so long as he does not violate the covenant. SOmething which he would never do anyways.

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post Oct 20 2006, 03:42 AM
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QUOTE(smasher666 @ Oct 19 2006, 09:29 PM) *
Also I never banish Bandar. The mad arab hints that if you do not the Bandar will become so strong that you will not be able to control him. However Bandar is my friend and he is a very angelic type spirit. I do not wish to completely control him. He has permision to do anything he wants to do or go anywhere he wants to go so long as he does not violate the covenant. SOmething which he would never do anyways.

I think the key with the Mad Arab's testimony is that he seems to be coming from a magickian's point of view, rather than a priest's. He's trying to control the watcher, whereas you are making a covenant with him, you give him something he wants/likes (the sacrifice) in return for your protection, other than that, you let him do what he wants, rather than try and control him like a puppet. There's that respect, and that goes a long way.


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To these I turn, in these I trust;
Brother Lead and Sister Steel.
To his blind power I make appeal;
I guard her beauty clean from rust.

He spins and burns and loves the air,
And splits a skull to win my praise;
But up the nobly marching days
She glitters naked, cold and fair.

Sweet Sister, grant your soldier this;
That in good fury he may feel
The body where he sets his heel
Quail from your downward darting kiss.

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post Oct 20 2006, 04:46 PM
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There us really no need to control Bandar. I sacrifice to him every night. I have found that when I neglect the sacrifice for a space of 3 or 4 days he does begin to feed off of me. However this does not upset me as I know he needs energy to stay in this world. Normally one sacrifice every 28 days would be sufficent if he is banished however as per instructions in the Maklu text never ask him to do anything without a sacrifice. Since I never banish him he requires alot of attention. He is my friend and not my slave. He helps me and I help him. After all that is what friends are for.

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msm3391   Superstition Nonsense   Sep 9 2006, 03:36 PM
Ashnook   As long as I have been conscience of my of being, ...   Sep 9 2006, 05:03 PM
Radiant Star   if you wanted to explore enochian you would not ju...   Sep 10 2006, 02:20 AM
Ashnook   When I attend Lon Milo Duquette's workshop las...   Sep 10 2006, 09:27 PM
smasher666   As long as I have been conscience of my of being, ...   Sep 9 2006, 06:30 PM
motsie   It is my understanding that the Necronomicon is to...   Sep 11 2006, 03:06 AM
Suxur-Mash596   Not doing the proper banishings can be a problem a...   Sep 19 2006, 10:17 PM
smasher666   Greetings 'Suxur-Mash596, Aranunna I salute ...   Sep 19 2006, 11:27 PM
mystick   To add, its been quite some months that i did not ...   Sep 19 2006, 11:46 PM
Suxur-Mash596   Smashernyc666, I do banishings not to rid myself o...   Sep 20 2006, 02:22 PM
smasher666   Greetings 'Suxur-Mash596, When Bandar has bee...   Sep 20 2006, 04:59 PM
Suxur-Mash596   Smasher--I ran into an assortment of problems when...   Oct 3 2006, 09:11 PM
Penny_Lane   Regarding those who bash the Necronomicon, I belie...   Oct 19 2006, 05:59 AM
Ashnook   The Necronomicon approach is more blunt and direct...   Oct 19 2006, 06:26 AM
Penny_Lane   :goodposting: Why are you unsure of posting it he...   Oct 24 2006, 04:54 AM
Shabatai   i would be intrested in hearing your article no ma...   Oct 19 2006, 07:10 AM
smasher666   THe Necronomicon has many exorcisms which I have f...   Oct 19 2006, 10:30 AM
Penny_Lane   I think the key with the Mad Arab's testimony ...   Oct 24 2006, 04:48 AM
Shabatai   a lot seem to think these banishings are set in st...   Oct 19 2006, 08:54 PM
Suxur-Mash596   Penny lane----u could not be anymore right on...   Oct 24 2006, 05:47 PM
DarkGoddess   Something I find kind of funny, is many claim the ...   Oct 24 2006, 06:43 PM
Darkmage   @DarkGoddess: good point. I think, perhaps, becau...   Oct 24 2006, 07:09 PM

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