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hello everyone

i have a question when doing a evocation can you ask the spirit on behalve of someone else for example ask the right spirit to heal someone in the famillie.

and what is the cost for asking something i know that nothing is for free.

best wishes to you all

this same basic question has been asked SO many times . . . I say that not in insult or to diminish its value

Yes, the tools are absolutely a requirement ! . . . . end of subject.


Now, to carry the subject out a bit further (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
The answer to your question can only really be borne out by your experience. I mean that on several levels.......
Its only through your making the tools, practicing the ritual/magickal work, trying in an experimental fashion that you'll determine whether the all the tools are necassary.

Its also only through YOUR accumalation of practice experience that you could not need a / any / all the tools . . . and safe to say, whether which particular tools you DO need.

Its only through your development of your particlar path and style that determines if tools (or evocation itself) are needed or part of your paradigm.

But . . .

If your going to read Kon's book and/or Kraig's book (or Bardon's or any other of those sorts) . . then YES!
all the tools are absolutely required. Practice of the particular ritual work is required. Maintaining the necasarry dedication is required.
From the approach of those authors, if your going to use their methodology . . . do it right.

Plus, I personally have gotten "more" out of just the process of making certain tools then the actual tool has been useful for. The tool is in many ways a symbolic expression of something inside yourself, there . . just not exposed (to you or the world). Making the tool expresses . . . exposes that "thing". Its the point at which you can start working with "it". You may find "it" so clearly that the physical tool becomes only a stepping stone that can be cast-off when the REAL tool is available.
You never know . . . maybe that wouldn't be your case . . . maybe you might have fireballs shooting out of your wand and freeze rays outta your pentagram . . . that'd bee cool too.

Yes . . make them.
(you don't have to be professional quality, or exotic material . . . I know of a magician that made them outta paper and glue (or whatever) . . . and apparently they were good enough . . . just do your best)

(Hia bym)

This post has been edited by palindroem: Oct 22 2006, 06:46 AM