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Oct 24 2006, 06:37 PM
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Folks: I really dont know why people keep connecting the Simon Necronomicon with Lovecraft, as he has little or nothing to do with it.. He possible heard about its name and though it was cool and incorporated it into his Horror stories.
I however first got interested in sumerian/babyonian mythology before buying the Nec in the 80's. At that time it was hard to get tablet translations and those that I read were incomplete and broken, hard to keep the flow of the story line going. I found the Necronomicon amusing at the time and did little with it other than use it as reference to look up sumerian gods and demons in the literature. I now take it a lot more seriously.
So far I have found nothing contradictory between the Nec and the actual tablet translations. The gods are the same, the incantations are the same, the ceremonies are the same, the colors of ladder of light seem to agree with the colors of the steps of the zigurraths of Harran, etc.
The points of contention might be the whole idea of a 'watcher' or guardian angel. Well, that is also well attested in incantations as 'may a friendly spirit, a friendly guardian stand at my side'.
The other big point of contention are the sigils of the 50 names. But then the Nec says 'the chaldeans were imperfect in their knowledge' and 'take what I give you here and discover the rest'. So the existence of sigils is not completely inconsistent with the extant tablets. Regarding pentagrams, I have found reproductions of tablets bearing heptagrams (apparently organizing the 7 planets on the tips of the stars, etc) so I dont doubt a pentagram (the Arra) exists in some tablet reproduction. Also, not all has survived the passage of time. Tablet KAR44 (see the tintirbabylon site) lists about 50 texts that a magician should know to be a (babylonian) magician, only a few have survived. A specially tantalizing one was on 'sigils to be made of flour' who knows what it contained..
So it is completely irrelevant if it was a 900 year old greek manuscript written by a well researched greek cleric, or if it was a well researched 1980's New York creation. As long as the incantations are the same as those used for 1000's of years, as long as the gods are those that were worshipped for 1000's of years, as long as the ceremonies are the same used for 1000's of years there is power in them. (Harran ws destroyed ~1000 AD, the last bastion of sumerian worship, as it had temples of nannar, Ishtar, Shamas etc. The religion started ~ 3000 BC so it pretty much spanned 4000 years)
Now, sumerian magic influenced the babylonians, akkadians, assyrians, and major portions of the bible and hebrew mythology, and by extension christian demonology and names and powers of angels etc. So it stands to reason that there will exist some commonality between sumerian/babylonian religion (the Nec) and the enochian/christian invocations.
I find it interesting that the sumerians were able to keep time (in 'berus' or double hours, 6 hours to the day and 6 hours to the night) by means of 36 different stars rising at different places in the horizon, the points of the compass called 'winds' indicating wind direction. Along the way 12 hours became 24 hours, 36 winds could have become 72 (as the 72 wise men, etc) or it could be that the 36 wids became the 30 winds of the enochian system. Who knows? The point I'm making is that is more likely that the Nec (sumerian mythology) influenced the enochian system and not the other way around.
My two cents.
Traveller
P.S: Has any one have information on the 36 tables of Soyga used by Dee? I have tried to find info on them without much success.
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Praxis Necronomicon BooksNec Simon Version / other versions Aug 12 2005, 06:00 AM Ashnook I have two responses to your question my friend.
... Aug 12 2005, 04:11 PM Enigmius I have two responses to your question my friend.
... Aug 26 2006, 10:22 PM Praxis Ashnook - I hope that you and Nero will inform us ... Aug 12 2005, 04:47 PM thief_and_a_liar
Oh, I can assure you there has been published bo... Aug 12 2005, 07:47 PM chaoscrowley37 I know that Donald Tyson wrote about it recently a... Aug 12 2005, 08:43 PM Praxis I went to amazon.com and checked out the 28 books ... Aug 13 2005, 04:46 AM Ashnook Necronomicon Workbook
Hidden Keys to the Necronom... Aug 13 2005, 09:58 AM Alarum Praxis, also look for Liber Koth by Stephen Sennit... Aug 14 2005, 05:05 PM Nero
Actually Ashnook and I are in the process of comp... Aug 17 2005, 07:21 AM nebo82
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I have Necronomicon Workbook and Ne... Aug 18 2005, 12:45 PM Anika Divinorum That sounds neat. I'd like to see that book y... Aug 23 2005, 12:30 PM AlricThomas The book is written to prove the Necronomicon is a... Aug 23 2005, 02:41 PM ankhofisis Sacred-texts has an interesting version of necrono... Sep 4 2005, 04:54 AM nebo82
Thats the Hay Turner been around sence 1978 or s... Sep 5 2005, 05:10 AM ObsidianLF I found the Necronomicon Spellbook online but it s... Oct 2 2005, 10:00 AM Merlin The Necronomicon Spellbook is only the Book Of Fif... Oct 2 2005, 02:29 PM ObsidianLF Thanks for the explanation- now I don't have t... Oct 2 2005, 03:13 PM Merlin Would you mind explaneing a bit as to what the Sil... Oct 5 2005, 06:08 AM Merlin Nero and Ashnook, I would love to hear about the b... Oct 5 2005, 06:15 AM Nero
Of course, that is what it mainly is. Our thought... Oct 5 2005, 09:23 AM Merlin Thank you so much for the advice Nero, I am very g... Oct 5 2005, 02:59 PM ObsidianLF I'm working on writing a book titled "Pri... Oct 5 2005, 03:08 PM Frater Gavriel Hey all.
I happen to own Donald Tyson's versi... Oct 12 2005, 03:22 PM Nero
Yes it is completely different.
The Simon book b... Oct 12 2005, 04:30 PM Frater Gavriel
Neither am I really - It was the only one I coul... Oct 12 2005, 07:10 PM Nero
Spirit bottles?
As in like Solomon's brass ju... Oct 12 2005, 09:30 PM Frater Gavriel
Ah, in Tyson's version, he speaks of conjuri... Oct 13 2005, 08:25 PM fleecileez Is it still in print?
Does enyone know where i can... Feb 8 2006, 11:40 AM smasher666 Is it still in print?
Does enyone know where i can... Apr 21 2006, 01:30 AM bym You can still pick up paperback copies all over th... Feb 8 2006, 01:23 PM fleecileez Yes, i looked, well i tried to order it from otaka... Feb 8 2006, 10:13 PM chaoscrowley37 Search engines----the true secret of adeptship.
N... Feb 8 2006, 11:52 PM bym I can understand not liking my price tag...but I... Feb 14 2006, 02:01 PM Ashnook The paper back version will work just fine, though... Feb 15 2006, 04:59 PM fleecileez Thanks for the offer bym, can you link to it?
You ... Feb 22 2006, 07:00 PM distillate That was really silly on their part. Just the icin... Apr 11 2006, 01:37 AM Ashnook The writers of that ill formed book havent the sli... Apr 14 2006, 10:01 PM Jon Strange This applies in general as well as for the Necrono... Apr 30 2006, 12:48 PM juriaan Spirits bottles or soul bottles are made by the pe... May 17 2006, 07:19 AM Nishiki I am planning to translate the Simon Necronomicon ... Aug 23 2006, 11:54 PM nox.b I am planning to translate the Simon Necronomicon ... Aug 24 2006, 03:39 AM nox Correct :)
Certainly Simon holds the copyright to... Aug 25 2006, 12:27 PM exodustruth I am planning to translate the Simon Necronomicon ... Oct 2 2006, 01:11 AM gmcbroom How are the Books coming along? It's been awh... Aug 26 2006, 05:50 PM PureNaturEnergy ObsidianLF,
I found this website and I would li... Aug 29 2006, 11:19 AM nebo82 ObsidianLF,
I found this website and I would li... Aug 29 2006, 02:42 PM smasher666 Greetings
In my opinion this is a much nicer and l... Aug 29 2006, 06:01 PM smasher666 Here are a couple of pages from my handwritten Nec... Aug 29 2006, 06:13 PM PureNaturEnergy I agree nebo82, those books look much more better,... Aug 30 2006, 04:13 PM PureNaturEnergy Smasher,
I like your handwritten copy of the Ne... Aug 30 2006, 04:26 PM Seraphim Yo Smasher, your copy of the NEC looks great.
A... Aug 30 2006, 05:25 PM Seraphim Yo Smasher, your copy of the NEC looks great.
A... Aug 30 2006, 05:29 PM smasher666 Yo Smasher, your copy of the NEC looks great.
A... Aug 30 2006, 09:33 PM Brenda I feel like such a fool but who is this Necronomic... Sep 2 2006, 07:17 PM GaiusOctavian The Nec is a book, hon'. lol.
.::Sempre Bene:... Sep 2 2006, 08:07 PM Seraphim Yo,
As Gaius said, it's a book of magick b... Sep 2 2006, 10:31 PM Eroscupidonamor Necro- death,toom... nomos-book,law,etc...
Edited Sep 3 2006, 10:28 AM smasher666 Necro- death,toom... nomos-book,law,etc...
Edited... Sep 5 2006, 01:15 AM DeathStalker I've seen many Necronomicon books of various a... Sep 10 2006, 05:02 PM nebo82 I've seen many Necronomicon books of various a... Sep 10 2006, 10:08 PM smasher666 The Hay turer and imperum are admited hoxes Simon ... Sep 10 2006, 10:55 PM DeathStalker I've lurked about and found a version of the N... Sep 11 2006, 01:05 AM smasher666 What edition it is should not matter. Just get th... Sep 11 2006, 01:17 AM dedicated 2 u I bought a Turkish translated version of Necronom... Sep 16 2006, 06:43 PM smasher666 At first I thought you were talking about the arti... Sep 17 2006, 06:49 PM smasher666 My wife translated the books review into English f... Sep 18 2006, 05:42 PM smasher666 Here is the first page of our friend Simon's N... Sep 18 2006, 05:51 PM Arcangle90 Since John Dee supposedly had a copy of the Necron... Sep 18 2006, 07:11 AM nebo82 Since John Dee supposedly had a copy of the Necron... Oct 22 2006, 06:33 PM bym Absolutely not! The connection between Dee and... Sep 18 2006, 09:06 AM redhand Absolutely not! The connection between Dee and... Oct 19 2006, 05:57 PM Arcangle90 Cool! Thanks! Sep 18 2006, 11:15 AM Suxur-Mash596 Th e Necronomicon of John Dee is NOT the Necronomi... Sep 20 2006, 02:29 PM Suxur-Mash596 Smasher, I will finish what I started! I only ... Sep 20 2006, 02:39 PM smasher666 Greetings 'Suxur-Mash596',
Here are a cou... Sep 20 2006, 04:45 PM deep hey
i have two questions which i would love someon... Sep 29 2006, 01:45 PM smasher666 Greetings,
You can buy it in Barnes and Nobles fo... Sep 29 2006, 06:38 PM deep thanks Sep 30 2006, 02:55 AM Traveller Hello:
Is there a relationship that any of you hav... Sep 30 2006, 08:37 PM redhand Hello:
Is there a relationship that any of you hav... Oct 19 2006, 06:26 PM Suxur-Mash596 I agree w/ Smasher, buy a copy in paper--keep the ... Sep 30 2006, 11:56 PM nyechna I believe Schlangenkraft hold the copyright for th... Oct 2 2006, 03:18 PM Angalor I think proper translation of the book is handled ... Oct 2 2006, 03:58 PM smasher666 The copyright of any book belongs to whoever filed... Oct 2 2006, 11:16 PM Penny_Lane I have a PDF copy which I found on the Net, but it... Oct 19 2006, 06:06 AM smasher666 Penny Lane is right. The online versions contain ... Oct 19 2006, 11:14 AM Shabatai i think your just supposed to stare at it to get a... Oct 19 2006, 05:35 PM DarkGoddess The best thing about the .PDF version is that you ... Oct 19 2006, 05:45 PM redhand Or did Simon use (steal) some of Dee's idea... Oct 23 2006, 05:10 PM nebo82 Or did Simon use (steal) some of Dee's idea... Oct 23 2006, 09:52 PM redhand Greetings
The question is open I never seen it lis... Oct 24 2006, 04:31 PM Ashnook There is no doubt that this is a very effective sy... Oct 24 2006, 10:35 PM redhand There is no grimoire or system which does not have... Oct 25 2006, 04:35 PM Darkmage The way I understand it, all known versions of the... Oct 24 2006, 04:48 PM DarkGoddess So it is completely irrelevant if it was a 900 yea... Oct 24 2006, 06:59 PM Traveller Hi, enclosed is a praise ot Nibib:
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