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blasphemy2000
post Oct 27 2006, 03:28 PM
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Ok, first of all. I would like to start this thread to clear up some misconceptions abour daemons (demons). A) they are not ugly, most actually are VERY beautiful creatures. B) They do NOT and nor have they EVER "fell from grace". THat is a christian concept and has no merit in demonolatry. There are heirarchies just like angels, if you believe in those sort of things. But instead of using Seraphim, Thrones, Virtues, etc...they use crown prince, duke, earl, etc... When summoning a DEMON, do NOT try to control or command it. Using triangles, circles, names of "god" or whatever is VERY disrespectful and will end in disaster, I assure you of it. The Goetia (L.K.O.S) is a jewish-christian book. The demons are no longer bound and they are free. Therefore, the goetia is pointless, while some demonolators still use it in reference to hell's heirarchy. Most have adopted Dukante's.

Also, when evoking a demon, "invoking" is considered rude...do NOT treat the sigil incorrectly. Properly burn it in a sacrificial fire, or keep it for further use. You may also bury it. Thank the demon for helping you and then dismiss it, it will usually require a sacrifice. (No, not baby flesh, or other stereotypical stuff...) but a drop of blood will do, since they require life force, blood has a good bit in it to sustain them. But it isnt the only way, be creative *smirk* I guess that is all for now. Please be careful and dont summon "just for fun or kicks"

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post Oct 28 2006, 05:56 AM
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Sorry Bym . . no source material here (yet)

Actually, hierarchy isn't just a humanized characteristic. There are many "natural" organizations that imploy hierarchical social systems, ie. reqrowth of devegetated area's, bee society, herd structuring, canine social behavior--to a degree almost any large mammal. Many include certain aspects of force or threat to maintain the order of stucture and social cohesion.
Plus the basic phenomenom of stratification is nearly "universal". As we see geologic strata, floral stratification, physio-density stratification,nuclear, solar, mental (old school, but useful), class/cast stratification. These also are formed by compelling "force".
Perhaps humans have a limited ability to understand an inherently recognize hierarchy in the daemon "world", therefore misplacing a human hierarchical system (feudal nobility) on an otherwise hierarchically organized group.
(I don't think I'm actually argueing against you . . . I think we may actually be more aligned then the above appears)

Additionally, Leitch presents the Keys as basically a type of shamanic-based system brought to the middle ages. In that system, humans hold a middle ground in a three world cosmology. Now honestly, that shamanic tradition is an approach with a slightly older history then even most peoples opinion of "The Ancient Religions" touted as the place were "demons" were worshipped as gods.
(and if you want bym, I could go through Leitch's book and try to pull some pre-1970 ref's --- but just for YOU!!)

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blasphemy2000   Introduction To Demons   Oct 27 2006, 03:28 PM
bym   Greetings Blasphemy2000! Demons, daemons, daim...   Oct 27 2006, 05:33 PM
DeathStalker   He's right about what he's saying, Demons ...   Oct 27 2006, 09:44 PM
bym   Thanks! *grin* I've been around the block ...   Oct 27 2006, 11:16 PM
bym   Palindroem, I don't think that I could have sa...   Oct 28 2006, 07:09 AM
Radiant Star   I doubt I am even 'qualified' enough to be...   Oct 28 2006, 10:31 AM
palindroem   Bym, I get the same kind of impression. The great...   Oct 28 2006, 02:32 PM
Radiant Star   I find that interesting what you say Palindroem. ...   Oct 28 2006, 02:43 PM
Shabatai   so what would be the difference between lets say g...   Oct 29 2006, 12:17 AM
palindroem   Well, even "like" gods may be alot of ...   Oct 29 2006, 06:21 AM
Acherusia   Within the practice of Demonolatry there are many ...   Nov 17 2007, 12:03 PM
Acid09   The ancient greeks believed daimons (there equavil...   Nov 20 2007, 06:49 PM
Acherusia   Oh that is quit some generalising. Id like to take...   Nov 21 2007, 03:31 AM
Acid09   You are correct to point out that the meaning of ...   Nov 23 2007, 07:03 PM
Acherusia   I overall agree with your posting about the concep...   Nov 24 2007, 06:55 AM
azareth   Its true,you dont have to be an evil person to wor...   Apr 29 2009, 09:01 PM
Ankhhape   My understanding is that the word Daimon is the or...   Apr 29 2009, 09:43 PM

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