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I only experiment with recreationally safe drugs to expand my mind, and my train of thought.
Sorry I just can't possibly consider dxm a "safe" drug. Its considered an opioid. Unless you're just taking cough or cold medicine (thats what dxm is) the more purer forms found on the streets can be fatal. The stuff found in the over the counter pills, (HydroChloride pills, if I remember correctly) is like 5 mg of dxm and so many mgs of other stuff that keep it potent and prevents it from being released into your body all at once. It also has a tendency to NOT mix well with other drugs; alcohol and opiates can have more intense affect if mixed with dxm. Even antidepressants mixed with dxm can kill in some cases.
I don't really care that you use drugs. You could use heroine for all I care. But don't be telling people its safe to use opioids as recreational drugs. I just get put off when people use the word "safe" with drugs. Regardless if what you took was over the counter or not there are risks just the same as anything else. I'd imagine that if what you took was over the counter you probably had to take a pretty big dose to get any kind of affective "high".
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The thing is though, I also like to sense the magickal aspect while induced with these drugs, and I rarely practice my magickall purposes while under the influence of them (marijuana being the only one i've tried). I took a certain over-the-counter drug (which I won't name, because I don't want to encourage the use of it) for my DXM trip, and I checked the active ingredients in it for other chemicals that were used, and it was only dextromorthopan, so I moderated my doses with a buddy, and sat around with two other good friends while under it.
Thats what drugs do they alter people's perceptions in ways that seem "magickal". Hell man I remember when I used to smoke meth years ago I thought I could do anything, litterally. But unless you're taking it as apart of a serious ritual or practice the magickal feeling is fake. Its the drug thats tricking your mind to believe in the magickal state. Drugs and magick only mix if you're already well aware of the false sense of reality created by drugs and can use that to create real magick. Seems like a contradiction but the purpose of using drugs and magick is to induce a trance to raise energy or temporarily break down the barriers of perception (like journyes into the spirit world). But in order to properly use the drugs in this manner one would already have been practicing their craft. And certain drugs in my opinion simply cloud one's judgement too much to really be used safely.
Using drugs recreationally can lead indirectly to magickal experiences. But not directly, then the intention changes from recreational uses to magickal uses.
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I am not very knowledgable on the concept of how drugs are being used for these purposes, but the roots of my questions have come from the history of Native Americans using peyote, marijuana, ect. to reach their "spirit world" and to see connections of how/and if it was being used for that purpose today.
The medicine men can reach the spirit world without the use of drugs. Some believe our world is theirs we just can't percieve it unless in an altered state of mind. The purpose of the drugs is to surrender one's will to their God(s). They believe they are protected (assuming they did the ritual properly). The problem is if you haven't experienced deep trance before using powerful drugs you could end up seriously hurting yourself.
Now I certainly am not against the use of recreational drug use or even mixing drugs with magick. But either road requires serious caution, knowledge and possibly guidance.
This post has been edited by Acid09: Nov 1 2006, 06:21 PM
Use Of Drugs For Magickal Purposes, questions
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