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post Jan 29 2006, 11:15 AM
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During my internet years, I found info like Jesus married Maria Magdalena, went to India and studied there, that he did not die on the cross. I'm not sure what to believe in. Yesterday, I finished reading Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code and in it I again read what I've found + Sarah, Jesus's daughter and how Constantine used the "perverted" new testament to make a god out of Jesus to win the Catholic over the Pagan. Altought the book has errors, it is still an interesting read.

What is your opinion on this? Jesus, the Lord or -just- a man?


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Well I lost track of time and got an hour ahead of myself so I wanted to finish up on my thought here.

When is comes to finding the truth about Jesus, Mary, the Descipiles and possible blood lines I think historical evidence is pretty useless, outside of speculation and story telling. The very reason I think is because what my first post is an attempt to articulate is that there are MANY sources that claim this and that about Jesus and such. There is no real truth only that which we choose to believe. The only real conspiracy of that time I believe in was the early Church's action to supress all the other gosspels to affectively "corner the Christian market".

IN my own humble opinion I think if we want to find any measure of truth to this subject we should step back and search ourselves with our own knowledge and our own reasoning.

I believe Jesus was a highly intelligent man who was raised Jewish and left Judea to study abroad both in the east and west. I know the bible insists that Jesus was poor. While he was most likely a generous philanthropist I don't think he was broke either. People of that time were willing to pay philosophers for their thoughts and I'll bet with the education Jesus accomulated he had some pretty interesting thoughts. If he did actually travel a lot he probably spoke several different languages so he had a means to articulate his thoughts that most did not have this may helped him as a trader, simply trading artifacts for goods. So influenced by what he had learned Jesus returned to Judea to teach and help others. That is what I think he felt was his true calling in life. He used his knowledge of Judaism and other religions to teach people a message of hope and compassion, a sort of live and let live philosophy. Over time this wondering philosopher found a small gathering whom he called his disciples, those who would spread the simple message to others.

There were actually many philosophers of the time and Jesus was not the only one people thought of as the Massiah. I believe the reason Jesus was given that title was because he became a Martyr in the eyes of his followers. I don't think Jesus fled Judea. I think he intended to die on the cross. I do think it is very likely that Jesus had a wife, or life partner who fled to Egypt to escape the persecution of the Romans and Jews. There her and any possible children lived under an assumed alias. They probably moved around alot and may even influenced some of the gnostic gosspels, as I'd bet their decendants did as well. But so did Jesus' other followers. They too moved around and soon the true story of the life of Jesus was too obscure to know what really happened. But the seed of Jesus' teachings did not die and they were perpetuated and morphed by his followers who claimed Jesus was not only a Martyr but the son of God who preformed miracles and the dispersment of Jesus' followers through out the Roman Empire is why I believe Jesus remained the Massiah while other contenders simply faded into the back waters of history. There were probably many Gosspels that detailed the life of Jesus and the early Catholic Church stamped out all save those that served its agenda. The Church probably went to great lengths to maintain dominance over the knowledge of Christ and even claimed its leader, the pope was a decendant of a disciple of Jesus, St Peter.

In reality, the story of Jesus is probably one of the saddest sagas ever told.


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post Nov 24 2006, 08:00 PM
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Greetings to all.

Jesus in the Bible over and over again calls himself the son of man. He never not even once called himself the son of God. I do not think Jesus was a liar. So I am going to take his word that he was a man.

Ever read the book of Barnabus? It was written by Jesus Brother. He says that Jesus never claimed to be anything other than the Son of Joseph.

I believe it was the Mystery religions like the Mithras and cult of Dionysus which immortalized Christ. At least Christianity seems to be modern paganism when closely compared with the Mystery religions.

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Kinjo   Our Lord Jesus Christ   Jan 29 2006, 11:15 AM
Sabazel   an enlightent soul who decided to come back as a m...   Jan 29 2006, 12:08 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   dan browns book may be good, but it is still a fic...   Jan 29 2006, 12:34 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   my thoughts on the man. A misudnerstood sage, his...   Jan 29 2006, 12:40 PM
alia   I would rather side with the "just a man...   Jan 29 2006, 03:25 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   sure, Jesuz was just a man. buddha was just a man...   Jan 30 2006, 03:41 PM
Rakesh   What about the heretic theology of Johanites, bein...   Jan 31 2006, 05:16 PM
esoterica   a superb and concise description! brilliant...   Feb 1 2006, 10:07 AM
pratyahara   If you read the Old Testament, Jesus was the hebre...   Feb 2 2006, 08:56 AM
Rakesh   And yet, the Jews did not accept him as teh Messia...   Feb 4 2006, 11:47 AM
pratyahara   Are you saying Jesus took advantge of those waitin...   Feb 4 2006, 01:37 PM
esoterica   HA! I :wub: all of you so much! You m...   Feb 5 2006, 10:26 AM
vredesbyrd   he's a man. the christians created a story to...   Mar 17 2006, 04:59 PM
ChaosCrowley   he's a man. Ok I'll agree with that. I...   Mar 18 2006, 06:13 AM
Praxis   According to the Bible, Jesus was God incarnate as...   Mar 18 2006, 06:44 AM
Animalia   Jesus was real.   Nov 25 2006, 08:24 PM
SangueDiNapoli   Well, I think god had set a few messengers, and mi...   Mar 18 2006, 09:37 AM
tyrian   Seems to me the importance of 'Jesus as God...   Nov 3 2006, 07:52 PM
DeathStalker   I don't believe in jesus christ being anymore ...   Nov 4 2006, 04:58 AM
Theft   I've read info and seen shows disproving the i...   Nov 7 2006, 02:00 PM
ClockKeeper   I believe he did die on the cross, and that he did...   Nov 8 2006, 06:08 PM
Radiant Star   I could post several theories based on what -Heave...   Nov 9 2006, 03:38 AM
Saul de Plume   I'm going to go with a misunderdtood man. He w...   Nov 23 2006, 01:37 AM
extinctionspasm   Its interesting that one of jesus's most poign...   Nov 23 2006, 03:20 AM
DeathStalker   I also want to note that I revere Jesus Christ... ...   Nov 24 2006, 01:40 AM
distillate   I also want to note that I revere Jesus Christ... ...   Nov 24 2006, 01:56 AM
DeathStalker   What about Ghandi, a man with great charisma and w...   Nov 24 2006, 04:15 AM
Jenfucius   Looking from an esoteric occult perspective I beli...   Nov 24 2006, 01:33 PM
Acid09   While the Da Vinci Code is good read and even not...   Nov 24 2006, 06:45 PM
bym   Would you possibly care to expand on that? One lin...   Nov 25 2006, 09:23 PM
extinctionspasm   Just to add some info to some previous posts. I al...   Nov 26 2006, 05:07 AM
Zenofied   Just to add some info to some previous posts. I a...   Jul 20 2009, 08:56 AM
denk75   I believe Jesus was a man. The stories in the new ...   Nov 27 2006, 02:49 PM
Gopendra   Jesus Christ was and is the master of teachers,He ...   Dec 29 2006, 04:16 AM
Aunt Clair   During my internet years, I found info like Jesus ...   Feb 7 2007, 08:43 AM
Rishi Bhrigu   Salutations.There is reason to believe that Jesus ...   Feb 7 2007, 12:03 PM
Enochian   Balance. Jesus was a MAN sent to return balance to...   Feb 8 2007, 04:08 PM
Care.Bear   Dan Browns book IS fiction Jesus Christ is the Mes...   Feb 9 2007, 11:19 PM
Imoe   According to muslim tradition, Jesus or Hazrat Isa...   Nov 28 2007, 11:17 AM
Ankhhape   I am certain that Yeshua was not the Son of God an...   Apr 19 2009, 08:34 PM
Xenomancer   http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p130/thexenoman...   Apr 22 2009, 07:14 PM
Djinn Shiva   I don't think Jesus the Christ even existed in...   Apr 22 2009, 07:16 PM
Umbra Euri   Considering that there is little to no evidence of...   May 10 2009, 09:35 PM
valkyrie   ouch! i'm not even christian and that stun...   May 11 2009, 10:55 AM
ShinobiBombay   New guy here. I believe that Jesus is exactly who ...   May 11 2009, 10:19 AM
Goibniu   I haven't read Dan Brown's book, although ...   Jul 21 2009, 12:41 AM
Aunt Clair   I do not think we create the Godhead because we ha...   Sep 11 2009, 05:24 AM
grim789   AHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAT????????? Ok i am not 100% sure...   Nov 8 2009, 12:07 AM
Hybrid Theory   [size=5]AHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAT????????? Ok i am not ...   Nov 8 2009, 11:02 AM
grim789   Hey Grim, Although the Bible declares there is on...   Nov 8 2009, 11:16 AM
Kath   I am a former devout 'born again' christia...   Nov 8 2009, 12:16 PM
Relikhan   I think Jesus was a Magician... A man who was bles...   Nov 22 2009, 02:15 AM
plainsight   According to Christianity, Jesus was God and man, ...   Dec 12 2009, 08:41 AM

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