Philosophy + Science Options

My purpose of this thread is to see which side you occultists lean more on, what your beliefs are on the theory, etc... I believe that Science or Philosophy without one or the other are pretty much pointless and achieve not as much, though hand-in-hand work great. I had an argument with a scientist last night during thanksgiving and he was stating that Science proves Philosophy wrong? I found that to be a completely stupid remark as Science is practically the answer to an event which occurs and Philosophy is the question to why it occurs. Anyways lets discuss and argue.

It has been noted by Einstein's quote:

"Religion without science is ignorant, but science without religion is blind"

- Thank you Acid for having that on your profile it helped me decide on this post (IMG:style_emoticons/default/Lighten.gif) -

Now first lets start by defining Science and Philosophy, just to keep clear on what they truly are:

Science: A branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences. Systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation. Knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.

So basically science is the study of the "why" something happens based on the facts of it happening.

Philosophy: The rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct. Any of the three branches, namely natural philosophy, moral philosophy, and metaphysical philosophy, that are accepted as composing this study. A system of philosophical doctrine: the philosophy of Spinoza. The critical study of the basic principles and concepts of a particular branch of knowledge, esp. with a view to improving or reconstituting them: the philosophy of science.a system of principles for guidance in practical affairs.

Philosophy is basically the pursuit of what "will happen" and how it will happen. Philosophy leads our thoughts.

My beliefs:

Philosophy has always transcended science and always will; for philosophy deals with causes while science deals with effects. A scientist observes the result of nature's work while a philosopher speculates as to its cause. Many things which philosophy has taught for thousands of years are today being demonstrated by science. The two should really go hand in hand; for one deals with causes and the other with effects. True philosophy and true science will some day meet on a common basis, and, working together, will give to the world a theology of reality.

Conclusion: Philosophy and Science should always go hand in hand for the best effects and understanding of the laws of this universe and thus existance in that matter. Philosophy will always lead and Science will always prove.

This is all based on what i've read and understood of works by famous and profound philosophers and scientists, feel free to state your beliefs on this.

This post has been edited by DeathStalker: Nov 25 2006, 12:42 AM

Greetings,

Concerning Philosophy and Science, Philosphy in times where Johannes Gottlieb Fichte followed after Immanuel Kant was in a great time of transition coming forth out of Critical Philosophy to Metaphysical Idealism.

Philosophy was summed up by Kant in an Anology ofThe Box, he stayed with this theme for many years. Trying to Theoretically determine if the Box was a Thing-In-Itself or if it could only be proven to exist by Empirical Evidence, which is Objective Knowledge formed on the Scientific Method of Experimentation.

Yet in Philosphy in my opinon one seeks to go ever deeper to discover "How is a thing," Is it a Thing-In-Itself, is it Transcendent that it contains both "Subjective" and "Objective" Elements able to show forth its existence, or does it exist only as an Empirical Physical Manifestation devoid of deeper realization.

To me Philosophy is as says Fichte and Hegel after him, Pure Reasoning,
while Science is a Skeptical Rationality determined by Objective means.

I to believe one day there hall be a type thinking that Transcends both Philosophy and Science and Unites the two to form a Higher form of Mental Evolution for Mankind. I believe it has existed in certain times in the distant past when men relied more on various forms of Reasoning and rationality combined.

Respectfully,
Helel (Joseph)