Reincarnation? Options

Can anyone give me some good arguments for Reincarnation?

I have myself quarreled inside when it comes to this topic.
I prefer however to keep disciplins apart and keep the Relegio/Mystical to it self and not blend in natural science.

Scientifically the most importand factor defining life is procreation.

Since most of my spirtual work has been Hermetic and Kabbalistic i tend to see thing through those traditions.

The "wheel" of rebirth, or Samsara of the Hindus does not really have an equivalent in either Kabbala or Hermetisism even if the "climbing" towards the light of anihilation, Nirvana does (in the case of Kabbala it would be Kether).

I HAVE however speculated in the sphere of Yesod, working as a final matrix for creation might harbour som "stuff" or "memories", patterns of the created on the way up after death and that energy of a sort corresponding might "grab" it in going down to be created.

This could explain being reborn as severel different people as one Dalai Lama was.

This is not well thought through Kabbala or canonic in anyway though.
My main concern is the here and now.

Sometimes rather naive arguments like "the little flowers returning in spring" are used. Thing is, its not the same flowers. They procreated and rotted.

*Feed the worms*

Blech... Three Fold path is yuck...ok

But by what death stalker said, acording to my religion, all the shit would manifest in their next life. So they would be robbed or something, to pay for past Karma. That is if the shit didn't come bacl a;ready in this life...obvioslly Hinduism really, REALLY bleeds into my beliefs.

And I have another question-Why do some people spell Karma Kharmah? Is it just to get attention? (Like Magik, majic, majick, majik, or even magick?)

P.S. I'm not getting mad at people for spelling magic, like magick...its just how the spelling is widely accepted in the magickal community. I just think its stupid, anyone who comes here to roleplay Harry Potter, or to talk about stage magic is stupid. This obviosly has NOTHING to do with stage magic...and if you buy a book on magic, just by reading the front and back, you can tell it isn't a fantasy story, or a book on stage magic. I have a feeling Crowly had an inferiority complex...not that he was bad, his writing WERE good...

P.P.S. You should read www.obsidianmirror.net, he is very...truthfull, yet rude at the same time...

P.P.P.S. I have somthing very important to say, Naw I just did this one to get attention

I believe the spelling of magick comes from a certain Mr. Crowley who wished to distinguish magick from stage tricks.

I believe in both karma and reincarnation.

Here's my two cents on both.

Reincarnation, to me, seems to be a phenomenon connected to other incarnations of consciousness to which we have a particularly strong resonance with. I think that is because the unified consciousness, when it is pulled into incarnation in a newborn, comes with karma, negative influences to workout, purifying their locale in the greater consciousness. Also, by reacting to the karma they were introduced to, they further the overall engine of karma on the world scale. I think that your personal consciousness as you know it has no direct 'source' from another life, but that you were rather incarnated out of 'momentum' if you will. You can follow the karmic current that you are incarnated into backwards to it's source, and these occur to us as 'past lives' because they are the path that our karma has followed. We see it as our own because of our ego.

Which brings me to my two cents on karma. I don't believe that karma is totally predestined. I think it is a pattern of events that manifests in a universe which is constantly changing based on infinite variables, and that it is this course of change that constitutes the karma of the universe. The consciousness of the universe navigates that constant change, and it's parts, too small to grasp the perspective of the whole, inherently do the same. As individual parts of the universal consciousness, it is our responsibility (IMO) to transmute each element of our karma as it confronts us, which it ultimately must. In doing so, we divert the negative currents into positive ones.

You think about one person spends their life doing unspeakable evil, and another, somewhere else in the world, spends a life doing only good. Evil being reversion and regression of any form of evolution (consciouness, biological, social, etc.), good being the opposite in furthering that progress of evolution.

Each act of evil done by the one man will start several causal branches that are negative in nature. THe individuals inflicted this way will deal with it in different ways. Some will take that evil done to them and transmute it to good by the nature of who and what they are. Others, though, will become infected with it one way or another, and pass it on.

The same goes for the man who lives a life of good - he passes on a current of progression, of positive intentions, and just like the other man's karma, some people will take it and do good by it and others will twist it into evil.

Those people's karma was to be a part of that current, because they were incarnated into that current to begin with - what they do with their part, depends on them as individuals. Likewise the individuals who began each respective 'nexi' of good and evil currents, did so because they were incarnated into a pre-existing karmic current and were destined to become a part of that current through their actions.

So, in my opinion, if we see ourselves as temporarily separated from a greater consciousness by the ego condition, then the is no individual, personal karma, based upon one's own, individual deeds, but rather a greater, universal karma which we each take part in transmuting into a positive current of karma or a negative one. Personal Karma and Past lives are, thusly, again in my opinion, essentially Illusion in the sense of a recurring ego consciousness, even including some beliefs in being 'wiped clean' afterwards. I think that if all experience is 'recorded' or rather already present, in the eternal, timeless dimension of the chaotic source, then it seems to me that there's no erasing done, just a union between the localized context of individuality and the greater context of the Source.

Now, I do think that by mastering one's temporarily contained consciousness, maybe you can expand your awareness to encompass a greater degree of the karmic current you are currently in, and deal with it then in whatever way you feel you are supposed to, but I've had dozens of different past life memories occur in the course of my life, and i've learned that they're of virtually no importance beyond signaling a karmic issue you should be handling, at least in my case so far. Experiencing a fraction of some other life that happens to be in the same frequency range, or in the same current, as mine, only means that this incarnation has encountered a particular locale of the universal karma, and that it happened so that an incarnation could deal with it, so here I am to do just that, it's my job.

Whether there is truly such a thing as retaining one's ego, or individual, separate awareness after death, though, I think it might be possible, but I also wonder if there's some very heavy cost. Does the source want us back, and if it does have such a comparable 'urge' within it, will it work against me if I try? What happens if I succeed? Am I cast out of the sphere, to start my own? Makes me wonder about the myth of the fallen angel Lucifer.

Being an ascensionist, I must believe in ascension, and I do. But so far, no evidence to report on that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

that's what I have to contribute to that.

peace